Food For Life is Against Prabhupada’s Teachings

The only comprehensive guide to understanding and exposing the FFL deviation in the world.

Basu Ghosh Prabhu
Krishna Kirti Prabhu
Bhakti Vidya Purna Maharaj
Jayadvaita Maharaj
Bhakti Vikas Maharaj
Sarvapoma Prabhu
What about feeding in 10 mile radius?
Prabhupada writes to a mundane welfare committee

Sivaram Swami distributing karmi chocolate from Belle Vista Company in the “Christmas spirit” in a Hungarian FFL program!

Basu Ghosh Prabhu’s (ACBSP) Facebook post smashing Food For Life

Krishna Kirti prabhu smashing FFL

krishna-kirti says :

Only people who believe themselves so elevated as to be incapable of falling into maya could make statements like this:

Neither Food for Life Global, ISKCON Communications, or any devotee in their right mind would ever entertain the idea of disregarding the preaching mission to focus on some mundane charity.

Why wouldn’t devotees entertain the idea of disregarding the preaching mission? It has happened often–in the name of preaching no less–for devotees to not be in their right minds all the while believing themselves to be free from delusion. Even big devotees who are managers of very important global projects are not exceptions. Certainly, Prabhu Priyavrata hasn’t given us a reason to believe otherwise.

As regards to Shastra and the acharyas, I would have thought that, by now, with all the accumulated negative experience of all the things that have gone wrong when devotees selectively lift a quote here and a quote there in order to justify some new idea, that we would start to see this kind of thing fade away. But that practice is apparently alive and well, and the open letter is guilty of indulging in it.

For example, Bhakti Vikasa Maharaja in his lecture quoted at length a letter from Srila Prabhupada to the top ministers in the State of Andhra Pradhesh. And in that letter, Srila Prabhupada turned down their request to spearhead a massive food relief effort during a famine going on in the region at the time. Bhakti Vikasa Maharaja also read the request of the ministers, verbatim. In their request, they even promised Srila Prabhupada unqualified support for establishing ISKCON in their state. Yet Srila Prabhupada refused. That kind of counter-evidence doesn’t make it into the open letter. If it had, the open letter would have had to concede that Bhakti Vikasa Maharaja did indeed have some important points worthy of consideration.

Of course, Maharaja is here accused of being selective in his own quotes, but what Maharaja quotes is not the kind of thing you hear from the Food for Life people. It is certainly not a part of their propaganda, or a part of their hermeneutic for that matter. They are no less selective. So Maharaja is performing a valuable service in reminding us of the pitfalls that all too often turn out to be real.

As to the members of the cited organizations here being incapable of going off in a wrong direction, show me the Vedic injunction that says so and I’ll believe it.

Bhakti Vidya Purna Maharaj softly smashing Food For Life


Jayadvaita Maharaj smashing Food For Life

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Stages of progression: from Gaudiya Vaishnavism to mundane charity.

Jayadvaita Maharaj’s analysis 

Stage 1:

Start out with a strategy to do some sort of welfare activity that the public will appreciate.

In the beginning the Food For Life preacher will say “Well this is not really our work but we are going to do it to get some public sympathy or appreciation.”

Stage 2:

Food For Life preacher preaches to some of his people. They start to think, “Actually this is good work”

Stage 3:

The temple leaders now start to think of FFL as being something that Krishna wants us to do.

Stage 4:

The ultimate stage in which the Food For Life preacher, the temple leaders start to say, “Whether or not this is what Krishna wants us to do, it is essential we must do it, people are in need, people are desperate for food. What ever Krishna said or what ever Prabhupada said, we must do it.

The last stage the FFL program has historically reached. People start off with some compromise and some more compromise and this is the point that the devotees come to. They say, “Any God would support this”

Some transcriptions from Jayadvaita Maharaj’s lecture

“There is a problem, or downside to that, apart from whether or not you’re actually doing something that you are supposed to be doing, or that you are authorized by Srila Prabhupada, by a Founder-Acharya to do. You have this problem:

First you say, “We’re going to make a strategy here. We’re going to do something charitable, and people are going to give us their appreciation. We understand that it is not really our business, but we’re going to do it, and people are going to see that we’re doing it, and that’s going to help us in our main business. We’re going to be able to distribute more books, people will give us more facility, and so on.” That is stage one.

Stage two is that as you start to get appreciation and as you preach to the devotees that this is what we’re going to do, the next stage two comes. That is, devotees start thinking that we really are doing something here, which is our mission. That really, “We are doing good work here. Really, we’re fulfilling Prabhupada’s mission. We’re helping the needy. We’re saving people afflicted by disaster.” That’s stage two, to the point where if anyone says, “Well, Prabhu, you know, this is not . . .”, then you’ll start getting heavy letters saying, “Don’t you know there are sincere devotees working all over the world, dedicating themselves, risking their lives. . .” That’s stage two—this IS our mission.

And stage three, four, five comes when you reach the mature stage, like the Salvation Army. I don’t know how they’re known in England, in America, when you have junk, that you would dispose of, rather than take it to the dump, you call the Salvation Army. And they cart away your old clothes, old furniture, old whatever-it-is, and distribute it to the poor. Or the St. Vincent DePaul Society. There are various organizations. . .

I knew of that organization. I used to see their trucks with the big shield on it, when I was a child, a boy. And I don’t think I was younger than about 20 before I found out that they had any sort of spiritual component to them. They are in fact a Christian missionary organization, they do have a message about Jesus and salvation and so on. But I had no idea what it was, and in fact, because in my tradition the word “salvation” is not a big term, as far as I understood “salvation” meant picking up your old garbage and carting it away, and that’s “salvage.”

So in the mature stage, you finally reach the point where even your leaders of your organization believe that this is your mission. The leaders of your organization, the theologians, the priests, believe that this is what Jesus, or this is what Jehova, or this is what Lord Chaitanya wanted us to do. And at that point, what is the distinction between you and a karma-kanda organization?

What is the distinction between you and the Red Cross or the Red Crescent Society? Now that you are doing the work of all these charitable societies, who is doing your work? Who is there to preach renunciation? Who is there to preach that you’re not this body? Who is there to preach that you should turn your back on material enjoyment and go back home, back to Godhead, now that you’re busy fully dedicated to the urgent mission of uplifting the afflicted people of the poorer classes of this material world, so they can have a decent life, who is going to do that other work?”

Jayadvaita Maharaj stands firm with his objection to Food For Life

Jayadvaita Maharaj said,
“To clarify: I don’t doubt that what Vaiyasaki Prabhu wrote is true. That is, I assume he has accurately conveyed what Priyavrata Prabhu told him.

I also find it understandable that Priyavrata Prabhu may have gotten the impression that I was backing off from what I had said in my “Food for Death” course. When I met him, I was not in a mood to be confrontational, I expressed some appreciation for his personal endeavors to share Krsna consciousness with a niche market of vegans and vegetarian activists, and I offered that in the future I wouldn’t use the title “Food for Death.”

That said: I stand behind the contents of my “Food for Death” course one hundred percent.

I believe that Srila Prabhupada’s teachings about mundane welfare work, “poor feeding,” and so on are clear, strong, and consistent and that the course represents them accurately.

For that matter, I believe that advocates of “Food for Life” often pull his words out of context in order to justify ways of prasadam distribution His Divine Grace would disapprove of and in fact, when present, did disapprove of.

And I believe that much (perhaps even most) of what goes on under the banner of “Food for Life” runs directly against what Srila Prabhupada instructed.

Were I to give the course today, I would if anything speak even more strongly. Since I last gave the course, additional evidence from Srila Prabhupada has come my way that I would certainly offer.

(Do you know, for example, why the building built for public prasadam distribution near the roadside in Mayapur was outfitted with turnstiles? I always thought it was to prevent crowds from rushing in. No, says Madhusevita Prabhu. It was because Srila Prabhupada ordered that people should be checked on the way out to make sure they didn’t bring any prasadam out with them. “They will mix it with their fish,” Srila Prabhupada said, “and then it will be aparadha.” Madhusevita Prabhu, a brahmacari in Mayapur at the time, was among those given the responsibility to do the checking.)

I would also cite newer examples of how ISKCON distributes prasadam in ways exactly contrary to Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. (The flagship temple in one country I visit drops the food off at schools and orphanages, to be distributed however the staff they drop it with see fit. No kirtana, no preaching. Just dump the prasadam and go.)

My revered spiritual master was bold, strong, and uncompromising in his teachings, and to see his Society leave behind that spirit of uncompromising boldness and abandon or distort those teachings for the sake of collecting money and winning public acclaim saddens me.

Vaiyasaki Prabhu’s text signals to me that my words to Priyavrata Prabhu about “Food for Life” seem to have been misunderstood. Accordingly, with apologies to Priyavrata Prabhu, I withdraw my offer to hold back from using the title “Food for Death.” I think the title is right on, and I fully stand behind both the title and the course.”

Bhakti Vikas Maharaj on Food For Life etc

So Srila Prabhupada didn’t … Srila Prabhupada said different things at different times. He didn’t want … there is one quote in which he says that simply feeding the poor is nonsense, there should also be some kirtana and some discussion of philosophy. If we only give food to the poor, Prabhupada said that is nonsense because he didn’t want … it’s quite clear from his letters that Srila Prabhupada didn’t want to promote ISKCON as being a social welfare movement in the way that it’s generally considered by mundane people. Although sometimes he did say that distribute prasad and people will appreciate that but it was never something that he promoted so much.

People join and just do that activity in many ISKCON centers

Whereas nowadays people they join ISKCON and they think that in some centers it’s like the main activity. They don’t have book distribution… hardly at all but they have the mid day meals and the devotees are sent to go out and collect for mid day meals, not to distribute books or do Harinama as their main service.

Advertising is totally mundane

So the advertising to the mid day meals program if you see there brochures or whatever, it’s that you see that “We are helping to build a nation” That appeals to people that we … but it goes we are helping to build the nation by getting the children educated, we are giving children a good future. But that’s completely against our philosophy, the idea of building the nations is totally mundane, the idea that we will build a nation by having more people educated so that they can become loyal doctors, engineers or more likely become factory workers. The idea we are helping children to improve their life that’s also mundane. The idea that they can improve their life in a material way is itself mundane and that we want to help develop the present modern society but that wasn’t Prabhupada’s program at all.

Prabhupada’s welfare program was Varnasrama community

His social welfare program was to develop Varnasrama community where people don’t have to live in this demoniac society. That was Prabhupada’s welfare program. It wasn’t that Prabhupada was callous to social welfare but he wanted to do so through and Varnasrama and Varnasrama education that people will be educated according to their role in Varnasrama.

Volunteers start thinking in mundane terms

So the advertizing for mid day meals is mundane, mundane meals. And you may say it’s just to induce people to give a donation for it but the problem is that when we start talking like this and people go out and speak to the public, they go and meet businessmen and then tell him, “Look we are helping hungry children, we are building up the nation, and we ___keep on repeating it and saying it again and again and again, you start to think like that yourself. And instead of following Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s order, jare dekhe tare kaho krsna upadesa, you are going and talking to people about mundane things. So it changes the whole atmosphere of ISKCON.


  1. Vrindavanchandra says :

    Following is the reply from His Holiness Bhakti Vikasa Maharaj on Priyavrata Prabhu’s statement:


    Fortunately for us is that prasadam distribution is ALWAYS transcendental, no matter who it is directed at.

    Priyavrata Prabhu has stated that prasada distribution is always transcendental. This appears to be an axiomatic fact, but actually it is a statement that needs to be qualified, which I will do by offering some examples of how “prasada” or its distribution can be non-transcendental.

    The following is from a conversation on farm management, on December 10, 1976, in Hyderabad:

    Mahamsa: “Some people I know, they said that yesterday the prasada was not nice, and there was…

    Prabhupada: Not nice, it is not eatable even by the dogs. But you are less than the dogs if you (prepare) such thing. I was surprised. You allowed a sweeper to cook. I was surprised. We have distribution prasada, not dog’s food. Such rascals as here. You do not know. I do not wish to discuss anymore on this point. You have murdered the whole thing in two days. Now if possible, bring them, bring them first class prasada, very palatable.

    Similarly, when in Nairobi Srila Prabhupada was served unspiced boiled vegetables, he called it “dog food.” (Srila Prabhupada-lilamrta ch. 38)

    Gaur Kishor Das Babaji Maharaja would reject his so-called followers for taking food at certain Vaisnava festivals. Babaji Maharaja considered food offered or cooked by people who were not properly following the Vaisnava principles to be the cause of falldown, even if such food was given at a Vaisnava festival and considered by all present to be prasada.

    Sometimes devotees purchase food from a store (e.g. bread or sweets made from grains), then offer it and distribute it to others as prasada—even though offering food cooked by nondevotees is against the Vaisnava principles. In India, it is quite common that for big festivals, cooks are hired who are not chanting sixteen rounds, probably not following the regulative principles, almost certainly watching TV, and engaging in other activities which pollute the consciousness. We can go through the formality of offering what they cook, and then distribute it as prasada. But is that really what it is?


  2. Vrindavanchandra says :


    I have seen at some Govinda’s restaraunts that, even though the cook is an initiated devotee, he is not chanting sixteen rounds. In such cases, what is offered to Krishna may not be accepted by Him and thus what is distributed is not prasada (and therefore not transcendental).

    Similarly, I have seen some cooks hired for the Midday Meals program who are clearly quite mercantile—they are there only because they are paid. I am not saying that all Midday Meals staff are unqualified, but if someone is cooking as a job and they don’t have any proper spiritual practices, we may go through the formality of offering what they cook, but we have to consider whether that is actually prasada.

    Another case in which the result of prasada distribution is not transcendental is described by Srila Prabhupada in his purport to Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.26.13:

    Sometimes it is found that an initiated person, in the name of prasada, eats very luxurious foodstuffs. Due to his past sinful life he becomes attracted by Cupid and eats good food voraciously. It is clearly visible that when a neophyte in Krsna consciousness eats too much, he falls down. Instead of being elevated to pure Krsna consciousness, he becomes attracted by Cupid. The so-called brahmacari becomes agitated by women, and the vanaprastha may again become captivated into having sex with his wife. Or he may begin to search out another wife.

    Srila Prabhupada states that under certain circumstances the effect of taking prasada is not purifying, but actually causes falldown. The fault is not in the prasada but in the attitude toward the prasada. We can link this with Srila Prabhupada’s stating in a letter (of 13 May 1972) that simply distributing food is nonsense (even though the food was presumably meant to be prasada). Srila Prabhupada said that there must also be spiritual education. From this we can understand that if prasada is presented as ordinary food or if people believe it to be ordinary food, the purifying effect is going to be significantly diminished.

    I question advertising (as is done for Midday Meals) that aims to induce people to give money so that children can go to school and in this way the nation will develop. Midday Meals advertisements hardly ever mention Srila Prabhupada or Krsna. (continues…)

  3. Vrindavanchandra says :


    Devotees who have joined this movement for the sake of propagating transcendental knowledge are sent to meet businessmen and tell them that we are feeding poor children to help develop the nation. The consciousness that is cultivated through such activity is mundane. If we regularly talk about food, money, poor people, and “developing the nation,” and show people photos of Bollywood stars who have endorsed our program, then how Krsna conscious are we going to be?

    Even though Srila Prabhupada definitely wanted widespread prasada distribution and he did give some indications that we can distribute to poor people under certain circumstances, there are also strong warnings from Srila Prabhupada against making our profile one of mundane welfare workers, which is what is presently being promoted by some of our devotees.



Prabhupada’s letter condemning distribution of prasadam if done without kirtan


Science of Self Realization, Chapter 6, part-4: Declaring Our Dependence on God

In 1972, the South Indian state of Andhra Pradesh was stricken by a severe drought that affected millions. Hoping that the International Society for Krishna Consciousness would provide assistance, T. L. Katidia, Secretary of the Andhra Pradesh Relief Fund Committee, wrote to Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada responded with this surprising and edifying letter.

Revered Swamiji,

The residents of the twin cities are happy to have this opportunity to meet you and your esteemed followers. You may be aware that due to inadequate rainfall during the last two years and its complete failure this year, more than half of our state [Andhra Pradesh, a state in southern India] is in the grip of a serious drought. With a view to supplement governmental efforts to combat this evil, a Central Voluntary Organization of citizens drawn from various walks of life has been set up. The members of this organization surveyed the areas affected by drought.

The situation is pathetic. There are villages where drinking water is not available for miles. Due to scarcity of fodder, the cattle owners are parting with their cattle for a nominal price. Many of the stray cattle are dying away due to unavailability of fodder and water. The food problem is also very serious. Due to high prices of food grains on the open market, purchase of grains at market prices is beyond the reach of poor villagers, with the result that at least five to six million people are hardly having one meal a day. There are many who are on the verge of starvation. The entire situation is most pathetic and heartrending.

We therefore appeal to your revered self to consider how your Society could best come to the rescue of these millions of souls who are in unimaginable distress. The Committee would like to suggest that members of your Society appeal to the bhaktas [devotees] attending your discourses to contribute their mite to the Andhra Pradesh Relief Fund.

The Committee is prepared to send some of its representatives along with members of your Society wherever you wish to distribute prasada to the hungry millions in the state.

As manava-seva is madhava-seva [“Service to man is service to God”], the Committee is confident that even a little effort by your gracious Society will go a long way in mitigating the sufferings of hundreds and thousands of people.

Yours ever in the service of the Lord, T. L. Kapadia, Secretary

Andhra Pradesh Relief fund Committee Hyderabad, India

Prabhupada’s reply to above letter

My dear Mr. Kapadia,

Please accept my greetings. With reference to your letter and your personal interview, I beg to inform you that without pleasing the Supreme Personality of Godhead, no one can become happy. Unfortunately people do not know who God is and how to make Him happy. Our Krsna consciousness movement is therefore meant to present the Supreme Personality of Godhead directly to the people. As stated in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, Seventh Canto, Sixth Chapter: tuste ca tatra kim alabhyam ananta adye/ kim tair guna-vyatikarad iha ye sva-siddhah.

The idea stated in this verse is that by pleasing the Supreme Personality of Godhead, we please everyone, and there is no question of scarcity. Because people do not know this secret of success, they are making their own independent plans to be happy. However, it is not possible to achieve happiness in this way.

On your letterhead I find many important men in this country who are interested in relieving the sufferings of the people, but they should know for certain that without pleasing the Supreme Personality of Godhead all their attempts will be futile. A diseased man cannot live simply on the strength of the help of an expert physician and medicine. If this were so, then no rich man would ever die. One must be favored by Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Therefore if you want to perform relief work simply by collecting funds, I think that it will not be successful. You have to please the supreme authority, and that is the way to success. For example, due to the performance of sankirtana here, the rain has begun to fall after a drought of two years.

The last time we performed a Hare Krsna Festival in Delhi, there was imminent danger of Pakistan’s declaring war, and when a newspaper man approached me for my opinion, I said there must be fighting because the other party was aggressive. However, because of our sankirtana movement, India emerged victorious. Similarly, when we held a festival in Calcutta, the

Naxalite [Communist] movement stopped. These are facts. Through the sankirtana movement we can not only get all facilities for living, but also at the end can go back home, back to Godhead. Those who are of a demoniac nature cannot understand this, but it is a fact.

I therefore request you, as leading members of society, to join this movement. There is no loss on anyone’s part for chanting the Hare Krsna mantra, but the gain is great. According to Bhagavad-gita (3.21), what is accepted by leading men is also accepted by common men:

yad yad acarati sresthas tat tad evetaro janah sa yat pramanam kurute lokas tad anuvartate

“Whatever action a great man performs, common men follow in his footsteps. And whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues.”

The sankirtana movement of Krsna consciousness is very important. Therefore, through you I wish to appeal to all the leading men of India to accept this movement very seriously and give us all facility to spread this movement throughout the world. Then there will be a very happy condition, not only in India but all over the world.

Hoping this will meet you in good health,

Your ever well-wisher,

A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

Few elucidations and refutations offered by us

Everyone is silent on the matter of mundane welfare e.g. Food For Life within iskcon since it involves most or almost all of the big players, big names in iskcon.

There is Jayapataka s, Kripamoya Das, Bhakti tirtha s, Sivarama s, Gopal Krishna Goswami… Big names who are doing all these mundane welfare “nonsensical things”.

So who will talk to them? How will they listen?

We are at a state of, “tumi chup ami chup” you keep mum I keep mum, as Bhaktisiddhanta used to say.

Mukunda Goswami, the person who invented this deviation

mukunda goswami.png

Mukunda Goswami is the man behind this nonsensical philosophical deviation involving distribution of food to poor people. Pls read first para on page 77 of the book Betrayal Of Spirit by Nori J.M / Nandini Ex-Dasi.

” In P.R. consultations on the subject, Mukunda convinced my father that individual temples could afford to distribute free food, without relying on the BBT. They saw it as a way the temples could give back to society and propagate spiritual vegetarian food at the same time. Dad and Mukunda thought of the name “Hare Krishna Food for Life” and talked about dozens of ideas to promote the project. Mukunda revived his PublicAffairs Newsletter to introduce Food for Life to the temple presidents and offered to fly to any center that wanted to start their own program. Food for Life quickly caught on. Mukunda hired a graphic artist to design a logo for letterheads, vans, and storefronts. Temples in Cleveland, Dallas, and Philadelphia applied for, and received, government grants for thousands of dollars; the Food for Life center in Philadelphia included a shelter for women and children. These programs attracted much support from members of city councils, mayors, and the media. Within the first year, temples in England, France, Bolivia, Germany, Spain, and Australia were distributing Hare Krishna Food for Life. Mukunda knew that these proactive steps were the right way to change public opinion. My father agreed and sometimes complained to me about the attitudes and issues holding the organization back.”

BTW, first tense is Nandini Ex-Dasi.

Nah Nah

Nah NahWhat’s so mundane about prasad distribution ?

Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das BrahmachariMundane is the speculation on the service of distribution. This makes it a seva aparādha.
Make the prasad go along with Kirtan/kathā(sermon).

Our  reply to Nah Nah(Bhakti Tirtha Maharaj’s disciple, Bhakti Tirtha Maharaj was a FFL promoter FYI)

First of all it is mostly factory made food at the hands of karmis(non-devotees). Hence this type is unacceptable by Krishna and cannot be called prasad.

Normal food becomes prasad when cooked and offered by devotees to Krishna.

Even when it is made by the devotees we have orders as in this letter to never give it away without any accompanying Sankirtana.

Sankirtana is yajna(a fire sacrifice for Krishna).

Prasad is distributed along with yajna.

Prasad means the remnants of yajna.

Let us analyze this hypothetical case: If you perform yajna viz., Sankirtana in Honolulu and pack it up and distribute it in Tokyo. It does not loose its potency but it is an absurd act.

Now even if you argue that it is prasad(Krishnaized food) and we must give it just for the sake of spiritual uplift then a 200ml of bottled charanamriti(Krishnaized water) is as pure as a plate of 200grams of prasad. So let’s distribute charanamrita if you are purely concerned with the spiritual life of the souls of the world. Thus this argument that we are concerned with the spiritual progress of the souls is not sustained.

Why stop there? Let’s go out and put the paduka(replica insignia of the Lord’s feet) on the street people’s heads as we do in the temple when worshiping Krishna?

Hence, to never fall prey to speculations about religion we ask always a simple question: Was mass prasadam distribution without sankirtan be it to the general populace or even specifically to the poor masses, ever done by the achrayas?

The answer is no.

Goto Jayadavaita Maharaja and say, “Your Holiness, mercy please!”. Then perhaps our movement will be saved from the mundane welfare nonsense, one of them being Food For Life.

Let’s take the mercy of understanding varnaashram from His Holiness Bhakti Vikas swami instead of going somewhere else to beg for mercy.

We need a lot of mercy to understand that Food for Life is anti-prabhupada. Such mercy will come from Bhakti Vikas or Jayadavaita Maharaja.

So let’s understand that Food for Life is not varna asharam as Prabhupada wanted then if we have time let’s goto Udupi.

Basu Ghosh Pr. Smashes Pro-FFL Arguments

Vasudeva: In this context, I find the social welfare argument in danger of being called unfair faultfinding, especially as the persons concerned happen to be top preachers whose personal character and dedication to Srila Prabhupada has been long standing. Don’t you find these considerations crucial to the debate?

Basu Ghosh: Fact is that your argument diverts the issue. The issue is that Srila Prabhupada very clearly, on many occasions, DID NOT APPROVE of ISKCON engaging in social welfare activities.

Vasudeva: 1. Prabhu, I would share your concern with the midday meal concept if those performing it were doing so at the expense of direct preaching or book distribution. But as the main devotees engaged in midday meal distribution happen to be today’s world leaders in Srila Prabhupada book distribution, I cannot possibly fault them for ALSO caring for the destitute, even if what they feed them isn’t Deity standard prasadam.

Basu Ghosh: Prabhu, with all due respect, I reject the logic that you have presented herein above: that because some of ISKCON’s leaders encourage book distribution (admittedly), that activity justifies marshalling vast resources and manpower for social welfare/humanitarian activities. It is consequentialist logic, not in concurrence with Prabhupada’s instructions.

Vasudeva: In this context, I find the social welfare argument in danger of being called unfair faultfinding, especially as the persons concerned happen to be top preachers whose personal character and dedication to Srila Prabhupada has been long standing. Don’t you find these considerations crucial to the debate?

Reply: So is Jayadvaita Maharaj’s not a ” top preachers whose personal character and dedication to Srila Prabhupada has been long standing” why not consider his rank and profile as well? So you give some sentimental line of thought saying that the rank of the FFL leaders should be considered; we too can give the same sentimental line by saying that the rank of JAS should be considered. Thus, to equate the number of years that person has dedicated his life to Prabhupada mission with his judicious of judgement is fallacious.

Steve Rosen supports FFL (by writing a whole book about it)

On page 124 of the book Hare Krishna Movement’s Contribution To Vegetarianism, Steve Rosen the author quotes some Australian clergyman, “Hare Krishna, I think, will be the salvation army of the 21st century”. Steve does not understand that it is no compliment at all rather is a great insult to become degraded like the Salvation Army.

From Page 121 of ‘The Hare Krishna Contribution to Vegetarianism
and Animal Rights (2004)’ a book by Steve Rosen (Satyaraja Das)
Bhakti Tirtha Swami’s mundane welfare was done with 20000
plates of prasadam or (what ever it was), distributed in Lagos(Nigeria). This
act was repeated in Ghana.
A reported said, “One might think this was the second coming of Jesus because just as he fed the masses, so the Hare Krishnas were feeding thousands of people”.
Giriraj and Indradyumna Swamis did their share of mundane welfare as well. In 1988, in Kwazulu many trucks of prasadam or “whatever food” it was, were distributed.

Page 122 of the same book

“Mundane welfare not only eats away at devotees’ times but
also puts their live at risk much like any other mundane ideology which gives a
sense of purpose to a human being. E.g. in Sarajevo, Bosnia, this theory of FFL
was effective in convincing the devotees who joined iskcon thinking of
performing Krishna Bhakti that it is ok to goto a wartorn area for 3 years
daily and distribute food there. This area was even forsaken for its danger by
Red Cross. But the devotees went there only because they were indoctrinated into believing that what they were doing was what Prabhupada wanted.”

What about feeding in 10 mile radius?

Kevin Oliver Gagnier

Kevin Oliver GagnierAnd SP’s comments about everyone with a specified distance should be fed?

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Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das BrahmachariWe must feed the people prasad (food offered to Krishna) in a 10 mile radius of the temple.
But feed them prasad along with Krishna Katha (spiritual sermon) and or Krishna Kirtan (singing and chanting of Krishna’s Holy names).
When the prasad is divorced from the Krishna Katha and Krishna Kirtan and used in a propaganda to win non-devotee public sympathy by labeling it “food for poor people”. This is an infringement of the laws concerning the distribution of prasad.
We can’t say, “it’s all spiritual Prabhu”. But even in that “spiritual” there are laws.
Hence the condemnation by Jayadvaita Maharaj, Bhakti Vikas Maharaj, Basu Ghosh & Krishna Kirti Prabhus and our humble self.
(Of course, we must be practical and think of the funds etc.)
Prasad distribution in our Kirtans and Katha programs is our success mantra as Prabhupada explains here.761210R1-HYDERABAD – December 10, 1976 – 44.08 Minutes
Prabhupāda: But attract them. They will come here to eat: “Oh, very nice thing.” That is wanted. I made this movement successful simply by Love Feast. They did not come to hear Hare Kṛṣṇa. They came for Love Feast. From very beginning, when I was in 26 Second Avenue, every Sunday I was giving nice foodstuff, at least 200 men. Daily at least more than fifteen, twenty. I was cooking myself. That is the beginning of my movement. The cāpāṭis with Kīrtanānanda, first of all he was taking one and two, then twelve. (laughter) There was another boy…Devotees: Stryādhīśa.Prabhupāda: Stryādhīśa. Twenty-two cāpāṭis. (laughter) “Stryādhīśa, can I give you?” “Yes.” I gave him four. Finished. “Stryādhīśa, can I give you?” “Yes.” (laughter) Very nice boy. He was eating twenty-two. One day there was no money, so he immediately went and came after some time with some money. “And where did you go?” The shoe booth. He polished shoes and brought some money. (laughs) (laughter) In this way, this was developed. Give them prasādam, nice prasādam. Any gentleman comes, immediately there must be some prasādam. Engage first-class cook. Spend money; don’t be a miserly. If you have no money, I will pay. So long I am living, I shall go on paying. You don’t be miserly. Bring devotees for eating and then chanting, then cinema, then lecture. In this way you have to develop. Not that people will come, “Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is there, let us go there.” They will not come. What do they know about Hare Kṛṣṇa? They will come, “Oh, there is nice, good prasādam distributed.”Mahāṁśa: Some people I know, they said that yesterday the prasādam was not nice, and there was…Prabhupāda: Not nice—it is not eatable even by the dogs! But you are less than the dogs if you prepare such thing. I was surprised. You allowed a sweeper to cook. I was surprised. We have distribution prasādam, not dog’s food. Such rascals are here. You do not know. I do not wish to discuss anymore on this point. You have murdered the whole thing in two days. Now if possible, bring them, give them first-class prasādam, very palatable. Foodstuff means even one has no appetite, he’ll eat. That is food. Not that even one has got appetite, he’ll forget. That is not food. So do like that, and for money produce, use cane, sugarcane, rice. We shall spend for that. Don’t spoil money, but do like businessman. He invests money, he gets a return. Spend it for Kṛṣṇa. That is wanted. There is no question of becoming a miser. I never did it. When I have got a farthing, I want to spend it, immediately spend. Oh, what I have made this BBT? Immediately fifty percent for printing and fifty percent for spreading this. Why don’t you understand what I want to do? So whatever is done is done; now do it very nicely. I want to see at least 1,000 men coming from the villages. There are 20,000 men here. You cannot attract them?

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Isvara Dasa

Isvara DasaHey Manikar das, you need to reflect before typing, Food for Life was started by Srila Prabhupada in Mayapur.

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Basu Ghosh DasPrabhupada started prasad distribution @ Mayapur, yes, but he NEVER entitled it “Food for Life”. He was opposed to using the word “food”. Instead, he wanted “prasadam distribution”. Mukunda Maharaj coined the term “food for life”, which just reflects a mundane concept of social welfare work (“for life”).

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Basu Ghosh DasLetter to: Gurudasa — Honolulu 13 May, 1972You must construct something wonderful. Otherwise, it will be a discredit to you American boys. That will exalt the position of America in India.

And in every temple food distribution must go on profusely with American food supplies. Have the Americans given us the food supplies, is there any tangible donation? Or is it simply promises? If we can supply some proof they have given us such and such amount of foodstuffs, some document, that will help us in all parts of the world as propaganda and for approaching your country’s government in other places for supplying us. So if y u have got such document, kindly send me one copy.

If we open a branch in Madras, actually there are so many poor children there. Spiritual education and food, that is proper. Simply supplying food is nonsense. Spiritual education means just to inject in their ears about our philosophy, externally they chant beads, wear tilak, without any
discrimination of Hindu or Muslim or anything.”

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Basu Ghosh DasNotice the words: “in every temple”, and not “everywhere”.

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Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati on mundane welfare

“The thousands of karmis who have opened innumerable hospitals, old age homes, centers for the poor, and schools, and the thousands of jnanis who have undergone meditation and severe austerities, are insignificant compared to a single kanishta-adhikari Vaishnava once ringing the bell before the Lord’s deity. This is not sectarianism, but plain truth. Atheists are wholly incapable of realizing this; thus they become either direct or indirect blasphemers of devotional service, or adherents to the doctrine of harmonistic all-inclusiveness.” (Amrta Vani 102 – 3; Sri Srila Prabhupadera Upadesamrta 174).
“Being averse to Lord Visnu, countless jivas have come to Maha-maya’s dungeon to envy Lord Visnu in countless ways. To deliver teven one of them from Maha-maya’s fortress and make him a devotee of Krsna is unlimitedly better welfare work than the construction of countless hospitals and schools.” (Sri Srila Prabhupadera Upadesamrta 286).
“Krishna-bhakti is the only way to deracinate miseries from the world. You are working only for the good of the body and treating the symptoms, not the original disease. Your patchwork schemes of various social, economic, and political ideologies are like blowing on a boil, which gives but a momentary and false sense of assuagement. The real cure is to lance the boil and squeeze out the pus. Similarly, the pus of material attachment must be excised by the sharp words of the expert devotee, the only genuine well-wisher of human society.” (Jati Sekhara Prabhu, disciple of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura).

Being averse to Lord Viṣṇu, countless jīvas have come to Mahā-māyā’s
dungeon to envy Lord Viṣṇu in countless ways. To deliver even one of
them from Mahā-māyā’s fortress and make him a devotee of Kṛṣṇa is
unlimitedly better welfare work than the construction of countless
hospitals and schools.
The thousands of karmīs who have opened innumerable hospitals, old age
homes, centers for the poor, and schools, and the thousands of jñānīs
who have undergone meditation and severe austerities, are insignificant
compared to a single kaniṣṭha-adhikārī Vaiṣṇava once ringing the bell
before the Lord’s deity. This is not sectarianism, but plain truth.
Atheists are wholly incapable of realizing this; thus they become either
direct or indirect blasphemers of devotional service, or adherents to
the doctrine of harmonistic all-inclusiveness.”

“Some people think that if they contribute, then our way of thinking
should ditto theirs. Yet even if they give everything in the cosmos, we
shall consider it like trash if the absolute truth cannot be wholly
maintained, if we are expected to compromise in lieu of the donation. We
do not want the support of such materialists.
 In 1931 huge floods in Midnapore District destroyed many villages, killed
countless people, and devastated crops and livestock. Famine followed.
The survivors suffered heartrending shortages of rice, cloth, medicine,
and other essential commodities. At that time the Gauḍīya Maṭha was
collecting huge amounts for the upcoming Theistic Exhibition in
Calcutta. This apparently unnecessary extravagence triggered fusillades
of protest from prominent citizens: “Why are you spending for this
exhibition when people need practical help?”
What is bonafide prasadam distribution?
This is a bonafide ad for prasadam. Note the mention of the word ‘prasadam’ and not ‘food’. 
Here devotees are seen with kirtan and prasadam and NOT ONLY prasadam.
Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari Prabhupada Dasa
have u heard all the five lectures on this by Jayadavaita Maharaj?
Because if you would have you would not have asked the question, ‘how can prasadam be mundane?’On my post there is the specific answer, have a look.

Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari As far as the, “everyone in India knows that it’s prasadam” argument is concerned:
No one in India knows that Iskcon’s poor feeding program is prasadam when it is done under different brand names and using vehicles with karmi delivery men who drop off the prasadam at their poor areas to government employees who later give it to the poor.
The cook, the car, the brand name, the food servers none of them are in any shape or form resemble anything Krishna conscious viz., help in complicating to the recipient of the mundane food that it is not mundane food rather prasadam.
So that claim was absolutely misinformed.
On what occasions do the people connect it to ISKCON or Krishna consciousness?
When the iskcon temple feed poor people extra leftover prasadam, which is not only bona fide but also done usually right outside the temple.
This does send a clear message that it is not a regular meal that they are getting.

Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari Seean Cn
The argument, “Some FFL kitchens were dirty”. 
Is not sound since priyavrat Das can show us a hundred kitchen that are clean.
Clean or unclean FFL is bogus because it goes against the siddhanta 
A) by separating prasadam from Sankirtana 
B) and by branding prasadam distribution as poor feeding viz., mundane welfare activity.
This is the main objection.
Of course uncleanliness should be condemned.
But if you take that argument in the public, the FFL fanatics will make it into “hey you are finding our simple faults. You are a bully” and will be milk public support with the “no criticising” argument. Which is the last resort of iskcon-idiots.
Got your back against the wall in a debate on the siddhanta? Let cry vaishnava aparādha!
So when we are dealing with such intellectually challenged so called men and damaged women in iskcon, best keep the arguments straight and strong.
Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari Vishnujana Dasa 
Now even if they make the prasadam using their own hand as opposed to machines, with love and devotion to Krishna and perfectly offer it Krishna with all the mantras etc and if they take it out from the temple, preaching or the sankirtana parties and send it to some other place for distribution with out kirtan and or lecture it is still disallowed by Prabhupada as evidenced by the letter as well as the various quotes mentioned by Jayadavaita Maharaja and the Mr. Kapadia-Andrapradesh relief committee correspondence of Prabhupada.
The argument that it is cooked in machines is also not too strong for sometimes the devotees also use all kinds of machines and gizmos while making prasadam.

Direct Quotes from Prabhupada’s Books

SB 8.4.13 Although the impersonalist rises to the Brahman effulgence and enters into that effulgence, he has no engagement in the service of the Lord, and therefore he is again attracted to materialistic philanthropic activities. Thus he comes down to open hospitals and educational institutions, feed poor men and perform similar materialistic activities, which the impersonalist thinks are more precious than serving the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Anādṛta-yuṣmad-aṅghrayaḥ. The impersonalists do not think that the service of the Lord is more valuable than serving the poor man or starting a school or hospital.

“Acts of sense gratification may be performed under the cover of public welfare, nationalism, religion, altruism, ethical codes, Biblical codes, health directives, fruitive action, bashfulness, tolerance, personal comfort, liberation from material bondage, progress, family affection or fear of social ostracism or legal punishment, but all these categories are different subdivisions of one substance — sense gratification. All such good acts are performed basically for one’s own sense gratification, for no one can sacrifice his personal interest while discharging these much-advertised moral and religious principles. ”

The feeling which you had by becoming compassionate to the fallen bum is very good, but the best way to deliver a bum is to revive his dormant Krishna Consciousness. If you can do that then give the bums good food and shelter. If you cannot do that, then simple supplying food and shelter, is serving the Maya. But there is no benefit to serving Maya, as you know, as it is all false, temporary or illusion. We are concerned with Reality, not Maya, and that should be the object of life.

Prabhupada’s letter to: Mrinaline


27 August, 1967


Sarvapoma Das(ACBSP) speaks against FFL

Governments recognize our devotional service to be on the mundane platform by giving us a Humanitarian Award
Posted on May 19, 2012 by fflv Food for Life Vrindavan is excited to share with you that our director, Rupa Raghunath Das[SivaramSwami disc.] has been awarded Human Achievers Award for the year 2012 by the Human Achievers foundation in India. The award was given based on the revolutionary work Rupa Raghunath has done in the field of empowering women and children of the Braj area, transcending racial, national and religious barriers. Human Achievers foundation felicitate Ambassador individuals, whose lives exemplify the ideal of living for the sake of others, and who dedicate themselves to practices which promote universal moral values, strong family life, […]

A list of our noble great leaders who shamelessly promote this mundane welfare in the name of bhakti despite all evidences

Bhakti comes from not being a fool. Fools can’t understand the simple teachings of Prabhupada. How can they lead us if they can’t understand a simple thing like this?

Gopala Krishna Goswami promotes FFL

Taken from his own webpage
, where he promotes mundane welfare given the fact that his own god brother, Jayadvaita Maharaj denounces Food For Life in a seminar in 2001.

Inspired by Srila Prabhupada’s instruction given to his disciples in 1974 that, “no one within ten miles radius of the temple should go hungry. I want you to immediately begin serving food”, ISKCON centers distribute sumptuous Krishna prasadam on daily basis, as also on festivals. Besides, many ISKCON centers such as Mumbai and Delhi, are actively taken up to Mid-day Meal Program of the Government as a medium to distribute Krishna prasadam.

ISKCON, Delhi Mid-day Meal program is at the moment serving a staggering 1,75,000 meals everyday, feeding hungry children of Delhi, Noida, Faridabad and Kurukshetra. Very soon, the adjoining areas and cities would be covered under the scheme. United Nations – World Food Program has appreciated this noble program and has agreed to provide technical assistance. The Government of India also acknowledges these noble efforts and the State Governments all around want to expand this project to other cities of their respective States.

Some more of his “poor feeding” support.

Bhakti Caru Swami promotes FFL

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Apart from this, we reinstated the Food Life Program to feed the needy and poor of our community in 2012. The School project was initiated thisyear as well. We are involved in a lot of community service projects. Some of our projects are- Food for Life, Goshala, De-Addiction Campaign/ Re-habilitation program, ISKCON Pride of Ujjain Award which is given to a person or organization who is contributing significantly in the field of social work, and Bhaktivedanta Meditation Center for the welfare of Policemen as they work under great stress etc.

Bhakti Vaibhava Swami promotes FFL

Earlier in his spiritual career, he produced films on Indian culture for German audiences that helped to promote Food For Life (ISKCON’s sacred food distribution initiative).

Bhakti Dhira Damodar Swami promotes FFL

In 2006 I maintained our two regular nama-hatta centers and established a regular Food for Life program to feed the needy in many places in Lagos, Nigeria.

GBC Promotes FFL

61. P.R. Issues VI-4

3) Wherever possible every temple shall form an advisory board according to the guidelines established by the ISKCON Foundation. Some of the important
advisory board functions include:

a. Monthly meetings to understand the needs, concerns and interests of the greater ISKCON community and local congregation.
b. To improve the quality and effect of the newsletter, temple programs and other outreach programs including the congregational preaching, festivals, Food for Life programs, educational programs and all preaching.
c. To discuss confidentially the detractors and come up with goals and strategies to better to deal with reputation mangement and to empower the advisory board members to work with the greater community on behalf of ISKCON.

Kavichandra Swami promotes FFL

Ramai Swami


Bhakti Narasimha Swami promotes FFL

Food for life with Bhakti narasimha swami at Nyanga Cape Town

Sivaram Swami promotes FFL

Fully mundane welfare associating with Christmas, new low for mundane welfare enthusiasts

Sivarama Swami’s FFL project

No one wears a tilak at this FFL

Women distribute so called prasadam with their hair all open. No tilak
Here there are two men serving prasadam with jeans…who knows who they are.

Iskcon Ahmedabad promotes FFL

Bhakti Vijnana Goswami promotes FFL


Q:What sorts of charitable works are the Hare Krishnas involved in?
Bhakti Vijnana Goswami A: We are very active. We have a mission called Hare Krishna Food for Life which is active all over the world, and in Russia since 1988. That year, even before any temples were built, we were recognized by the government, and just after that a terrible earthquake hit Armenia. The first thing we did was supply food relief to the victims. Then, of course, there was the war in Abkhazia … where we fed people for five years, supplying millions and millions of plates of hot vegetarian food. We were the first nongovernmental charitable organization to go into Chechnya, in March 1995. We stayed for 18 months, until the Chechen rebels took Grozny, at which time one of our volunteers was killed. Today, we have branches of Food for Life in many cities.

Caitanya Charan Das (ACBSP) Proudly Reads FFL Report at Prabhupada’s Vyasa Puja

“Next door there is a meeting. The Food for Life devotees have just done a massive, six-ton distribution of potatoes in Budapest to the poor and needy. It went down really well—so much favorable media coverage. They are making plans to distribute big quantities of food in the future. Yesterday they were in the city looking at a site where they could set up a kitchen area to run the project from, and where they could also open a small restaurant for the students that attend the college next door.” 1995 New Vraja Dhama, Hungary

Prabhupāda: Why you are anxious about the animals being starvation? You take care of yourself. You don’t be philanthropic, “Oh, they’ll starve. Let me eat.” What is this philanthropy? Kṛṣṇa is supplying food. If he dies out of starvation, it is Kṛṣṇa’s responsibility. Nobody dies of starvation. That is a false theory. Have you seen any animal dying of starvation? Have you got any experience? Have you seen any bird died of starvation? There is no question of starvation in the kingdom of God. We are manufacturing these theories for our own satisfaction, sense satisfaction. There is no question of starvation in the law of God. Elephant eats hundred pounds at a time. Who is supplying foodstuff? There are millions of elephants in the African jungle, in Indian jungles. They require one hundred pounds at a time to eat. Who is supplying food? So there is no question of starvation in the kingdom of God. Starvation is for the so-called civilized men. Lecture on BG 3.11-19 — Los Angeles, December 27, 1968:

Lecture on BG 7.1-3 — Stockholm, September 10, 1973: No, that is also your misconception. Human bodies increasing may think that from evolutionary process they are coming to the human body. But they are not going to be liberated. Therefore we see that human, congestion of human body. You can explain like that. But even there is increase of population of human body, there is no problem if you believe in God. That is another thing. But if you think that you have taken the responsibility of feeding them, that is another thing..

Here Prabhupada simply states about feeding prasadam but as seen earlier Prabhupada clarifies his position on feeding prasadam with kirtan or katha. So “distribute prasadam” has been defined elsewhere, may not be here in these quotes here. Now to take these quotes out of context and then justify the big leader’s deviation would be cheating.

No. Temple worship means you must distribute prasadam… You should… To the poor. Everyone is poor. Not that the rich man is not poor. Actually I have seen one rich man, he was coming for asking some prasadam. In my, before when I taking, when I was grhastha, I was going in so many temples, asking for some prasadam. That’s a long history. So there is no question of, if one is financially poor, he should come to the temple.

So paratma-nistham. The sannyasi should worship the Deity in the temple and feed the poor. Poor does not mean that one who has no legs, no ears, or no… Poor… Everyone who is spiritually poor, he should be given prasadam. By eating, prasade sarva-duhkhanam hanir asyopajayate. That is called paramatma-nistham. Yajna. It is called yajna-sistasino santo mucyante sarva-kilbisaih. It is not poor-feeding. It is distributing the resultant action of yajna. This worship is yajna. So yajna-sistasino… If you feed some men, not the so-called poor, everyone, then they’ll be freed from their sinful activities.

Food For Life Head Paul Rodney Turner Includes Wife’s Animal Rights Nonsense into his FFL Nonsense

GBC Disallowed Urmila Dasi from Being FDG, Reason: “HER PERSONALITY”, we all know what that means!

When the GBC rejects you, you must be really too much!

Urmila Dasi’s “Personality” disqualified her from Being FDG

Basu Ghosh Das

Basu Ghosh Das Abhay S. Deolekar – The candidature of Urmila Mataji for FDG was already discussed by the GBC during their AGM (annual general meeting) at Mayapur back during 2012, and it was rejected. The reasoning behind the decision is confidential, but I was told by someone who is “in the know” (who heard from a GBC member) that her personality was the reason for her rejection.So now the pro-FDG faction/GBC members, led by my “vartma pradarshak guru” (he was my temple commander at ISKCON Chicago for 2 months back during 1973, before I was initiated), Bir Krishna Maharaj, have recommended the name of Narayani Devi Dasi, an American devotee who lives at Vrindavan and teaches in the VIHE there, for FDG.

Last year, at the GBC AGM, her candidature was put on hold after a vote was taken, after a lengthy discussion, where I was present as one of ISKCON India’s representatives. Unfortunately Sivaram Swami had to leave Mayapur before the discussion to attend to his ailing mother – who later on passed away. He is one of the main opponents of FDG on the GBC body. He expressed the desire that the ISKCON India leaders convey their opinion regarding FDG to the GBC body, and that was done during 2012, and subsequently a letter recomfirming the ISKCON India leaders opposition was sent to the GBC in October.

The most outspoken proponent of FDG seems to be Kaunteya Das, of the Congregational Development Ministry, and yes, Madhavananda and Bhaktarupa Prabhus support him, along with Hari Parshada Das, from Bombay, a Sanskrit scholar (of sorts – meaning, well, obviously he knows something, but I am sure that there is much more to be known by him)! Samskritam is a vast field of study, that is certain, and we all have much to learn! As far as FDG is concerned, well, it simply is NOT what Srila Prabhupada and Srila Saraswati Thakur envisioned as a part of “daivi varnashram”. I continue to believe that the “push” for FDG is simply the influence of the “equal rights” movement so popular in the Western world.

Basu Ghosh Pr. Smashes Mundane Poor Feeding AGAIN!

Basu Ghosh Das
Basu Ghosh Das For example, feeding children mid-day meals, according to our Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada is nonsense!


Basu Ghosh Das
Basu Ghosh Das And yet within and without ISKCON, there is massive propaganda that doing so is benefiting thousands of hungry children.


Basu Ghosh Das
Basu Ghosh Das Much money is being raised in the name of mid-day meals, both in India, and worldwide, by devotees within and without ISKCON.


Basu Ghosh Das
Basu Ghosh Das Here is the proof that it is nonsense


Basu Ghosh Das
Basu Ghosh Das Similarly, regarding the position of women in society, here is what Prabhupada taught:Bhagavad-gita chapter/adhyaya 16. shloka/verse 7

pravṛttiṁ ca nivṛttiṁ ca
janā na vidur āsurāḥ
na śaucaṁ nāpi cācāro
na satyaṁ teṣu vidyate


pravṛttim — acting properly; ca — also; nivṛttim — not acting improperly; ca — and; janāḥ — persons; na — never; viduḥ — know; āsurāḥ — of demoniac quality; na — never; śaucam — cleanliness; na — nor; api — also; ca — and; ācāraḥ — behavior; na — never; satyam — truth; teṣu — in them; vidyate — there is.


Those who are demoniac do not know what is to be done and what is not to be done. Neither cleanliness nor proper behavior nor truth is found in them.


In every civilized human society there is some set of scriptural rules and regulations which is followed from the beginning. Especially among the Āryans, those who adopt the Vedic civilization and who are known as the most advanced civilized peoples, those who do not follow the scriptural injunctions are supposed to be demons. Therefore it is stated here that the demons do not know the scriptural rules, nor do they have any inclination to follow them. Most of them do not know them, and even if some of them know, they have not the tendency to follow them. They have no faith, nor are they willing to act in terms of the Vedic injunctions. The demons are not clean, either externally or internally. One should always be careful to keep his body clean by bathing, brushing teeth, shaving, changing clothes, etc. As far as internal cleanliness is concerned, one should always remember the holy names of God and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. The demons neither like nor follow all these rules for external and internal cleanliness.

As for behavior, there are many rules and regulations guiding human behavior, such as the Manu-saṁhitā, which is the law of the human race. Even up to today, those who are Hindu follow the Manu-saṁhitā. Laws of inheritance and other legalities are derived from this book. Now, in the Manu-saṁhitā it is clearly stated that a woman should not be given freedom. That does not mean that women are to be kept as slaves, but they are like children. Children are not given freedom, but that does not mean that they are kept as slaves. The demons have now neglected such injunctions, and they think that women should be given as much freedom as men. However, this has not improved the social condition of the world. Actually, a woman should be given protection at every stage of life. She should be given protection by the father in her younger days, by the husband in her youth, and by the grownup sons in her old age. This is proper social behavior according to the Manu-saṁhitā. But modern education has artificially devised a puffed-up concept of womanly life, and therefore marriage is practically now an imagination in human society. The social condition of women is thus not very good now, although those who are married are in a better condition than those who are proclaiming their so-called freedom. The demons, therefore, do not accept any instruction which is good for society, and because they do not follow the experience of great sages and the rules and regulations laid down by the sages, the social condition of the demoniac people is very miserable.


Basu Ghosh Das
Basu Ghosh Das If you don’t agree, stop calling yourself his follower. Thanks.

Krishna Kirti Pr. Smashes Another Liberal Feminist

Basu Ghosh Das


William G Benedict

William G Benedict I would like to comment but I’m driving the car and it’s dark and I’m tired so I’ll try to come in at a later point. However I think the words of His Divine Grace are quite clear.The Vedic instruction is quite clear I don’t think anyone should argue about that.

Sadly in the age we are in hardly anyone is familiar with the purpose and goals of human life; or how to achieve them; and everything is just the interaction of the senses with the objects, basically the attraction of male and female.

REAL education is required from youth hood, and the girls need training too as Srila Prabhupada has recommended.

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Jayamadhava Das
Jayamadhava Das I was with Srila Prabhupada and devotees,(July- 1975 Phila airport),He made quite BLUNT -CLEAR-”-Woman-ALL woman (even in Iskcon) Need Protection and are Not to be Independent- ” -I heard him personally,,,Prabhhupada told us the TRUTH= Vedic TRUTHs-,,,Howver uncomfortable to some peoples mundene Conceptions Hippe seeds in Iskcon and are still exist in us……Prabhupada warned us this fact,HIS FINAL REQUEST was ” DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING.”….Sounds Clear to me.. Some people REFUSE to Accept it,,,,Thats Maya…..Illusion….Not being Humble and being able to surrender and accept Srila Prabhupada’s instructions.. This is All- Being Done in Prabhupads Physical Abssence-,,Thats a Fact-They would have NEVER Dared have Pulled this woman feminist Vasinavi -agenda Woman leader/guru TRIP — on Srila Prabhupada when he was on the Planet,,Because,They know he would reject it..,So,,,Thats Dishonest to do this feminist iskcon agenda – behind his back,,Back Stabbing Prabhupada- and His words when he is NOT HERE Personally to Defend them. The old hippes seeds grew back with some Senior Leaders in Iskcon- and some are women.
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Sankirtana Devi Dasi
Sankirtana Devi Dasi Thank you Jayamadhava Das. You’ve made my point! Prabhupada said woman should be PROTECTED! Then they wouldn’t need to go rogue, and take it upon themselves to survive. I have seen and personally experienced it on every level within our society. Mentalities and actions need to change with both sexes.


Basu Ghosh Das

Basu Ghosh Das William G Benedict You meant “the words of his divine grace”, no?How can you drive & text? Aaagggghhhh!


Basu Ghosh Das


William G Benedict
William G Benedict Basu Ghosh Das Prabhu, I can drive and SPEAK into the microphone which records my words, obviously imperfectly. Thank you for letting me know about this “typo” which is now corrected….


William G Benedict
William G Benedict Sankirtana Devi Dasi One problem that I experienced with was women do not want to be protected. They want to be 100% independent. What should be done?


Sankirtana Devi Dasi
Sankirtana Devi Dasi William G Benedict
I remember my husband asking once, after 20 years of psychologically abusing me (and our children), “Whatever happened to that sweet, shy, submissive girl I married?”…. to which I promptly replied, “You killed her….”Women may not think they want to be protected, having had bad experiences of abuse disguised as protection. This age of Kali has contaminated all of us. Women do want to be protected! It just must be real, loving, thoughtful protection. It does not mean lording over a woman and treating her as a cow or housekeeper.
I believe it begins with a loving father-daughter relationship. If we as a society, put importance on protecting our children, both sons and daughters, we will build a society of strong men and chaste women.


Krishna Kirti Das
Krishna Kirti Das In all of these duscussions, the goal is to explain one’s exoerience in terms of the Vedic shastras. Otherwise, it is speculation and does not helo us at all.


Nrsingha HgTp
Nrsingha HgTp The Vedic shastra explain that all of us in Kali yoga,women Vaisya and sudra are less intelligent.
This is why men cannot protect and fulfill the needs of women.
Actually, Sankirtan is correct, it is never really the fault of the women. They are innocent creatures.
As men, we are not qualified. In times of ore, chivalrous Noblemen crated a chivalrous society when females were respected and protected like Queens.
Now we have no Nobility or Aryans left.
So men no longer bring out the best in feminine nature, because we are so low-cost,in comparison to Aryan civilisation.


Krishna Kirti Das

Krishna Kirti Das Vedic shastras do in fact say that men must protect women. Manu 9.6 says imam hi sarva varnanam pashyanto dharmam uttamam, yatante rakshitum bharya bhataro durbala api, “Thus it is seen that the highest duty of all the varnas is the protection of ones wife, such that even weak husbands must strive to protect them.” The reason for this injunction is given in verse 9.2 (Manu), in which he declares that women should not be independent, na striyam svatantryam arhati, a verse that Srila Prabhupada himself often quoted when explaining women’s duties.To say that men in kaliyuga cannor protect women because the men are unqualified is rejected because Manu says that even weak husbands must strive to protect their wives (bhataro durbala api) – even weak husbands.

Because this is coming from shastra, we must accept it. For example, although shastra says stool is impure, it also says the stool of a cow is pure, and we must accept that it is. Similarly, although the shastras say that in kali yuga the intelligence of people is diminished, the shastras nonetheless say even weak husbands must strive to protect their wives. We have to accept it in the same way.

Also, our acharya has accepted this. Not only does he quote Manu (na striyam svatantryam arhati), in innumerable instructions to his male disciples to protect their wives and dependents. To conclude that men cannot protect women is to ignore the extensive instructions from not only shastra but Srila Prabhupada.


Nrsingha HgTp
Nrsingha HgTp I agree with you, Krishna kirti, prabhu. That’s the point because men are weak their quality of protection is weak. Therefore they cannot inspire the submission side of refined feminine nature. Like that.


Nrsingha HgTp
Nrsingha HgTp Does that make sense, prabhu?


Krishna Kirti Das
Krishna Kirti Das So, what in your mind do you think would inspire a woman to seek your protection?


Nrsingha HgTp
Nrsingha HgTp The point been we cannot but the blame on the female class. Does that make sense,prabhu?


Krishna Kirti Das
Krishna Kirti Das The problen is you don’t know what you are talking about. I had a look at your picture on your FB profile, and you appear to be a very young man. You have very litrle knowledge of either the world or our parampara siddhantas.You should get some more experience and educatiion before trying to talk about these things. Right now you are saying atupid things.


Sankirtana Devi Dasi
Sankirtana Devi Dasi Krishna Kirti Das I am shocked at your disrespect of a vaisnava expressing an opinion. It appears as though simply because he is saying something different than you. He simply stated that in Kali Yuga men are less able to offer proper protection to womSee more


Krishna Kirti Das

Krishna Kirti Das Dear Mother Sankirtana, I have been in ISKCON for thirty years, since 1986, and have been married for the past 23 years to the same woman, my first and only marriage. I have done my due dilligence as a husband and know a thing or two about protecting women, both in terms of practical experience and in terms of our shastras. There is in Vaishnava society such a thing as seniority, and observing that is part of Vaisnava etiquette. There are devotees on this thread who are much senior to me; you may be one of them,.Nevertheless, the young man I rebuked is considetably junior to me and clearly lacks experience in this matter. You will notice I did not rebuke him until it became clear that he was unable to offer a proper reply to my question, which I asked to ascertain his actual experience.

(A proper answer would have been something along the lines of the things we have to do every day to support a family, like cheerfully working every day in a job we hate just so our wives and children can sleep without worrying about having to sleep on the streets.)

Furthermore, our young friend does not quote shastra to back up what he is saying. Anyone can say, “The sastras say this,” “the Vedas say that” without actually quoting them. Children do that, they use words that sound intelligent but are nonsense. In the same way, I did not appreciate this boy’s vague non-references to Vedic literature, as if there is some Vedic injunction that I have to accept his word without question. That is not our process.

Our process is that an opinion is accepted if it also in line with the Lord’s opinion. Hence, svadhyaya-bhyasanam (see Gita 17.15), on which Srila Prabhupada remarks, ” The process of speaking in spiritual circles is to say something upheld by the scriptures. One should at once quote from scriptural authority to back up what he is saying.” And to be fair, in this discussion I have done my own due dilligence in quoting shastra. I don’t expect even a boy to accept my word only because I say something.

So on two counts, I felt a rebuke was necessary. First, our young devotee was just speaking as if he were some independent authority, not quoting shastra. And second, I think it is just irresponsible to proffer the opinion that no man is qualified to protect women, even if it is Kali-yuga. If no one is qualified, then why bother? Just like Jatayu. He could not protect Sitadevi from being kidnapped by Ravana because he was old and inferior in strength and fighting skill to Ravana. Yet Jatayu nonetheless sacrificed his own life in trying to protect her. THAT is the qualification of a man who is fit to give shelter to women.

Unfortunately, too few women appreciate that qualification and instead equate “protection”with an unlimited supply of sense gratification. And they usually leave a good man because he does not give her the house and wealth and social status she thinks she deserves. I’ve seen many marriages in our society in which a materialistic wife and her Vaisnava tilak leave a good man. Hence, Vedic principles are for women, too. They are called stri-dharma, and women bear respinsiblity for their own dissatisfaction if they do not abide by them. Dharmena hina pashubhir samana. Without dharma, one is no better than an animal.

So, in summary, what occaisioned my rebuke of the young devotee is his loose talk, not quoting shastra and posing himself as someone with experience in a subject he has very little experience of. Rebukes can be well intentioned and beneficial, and I hope our young devotee takes it in the right spirit.

Ys kk das

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Nrsingha HgTp

Nrsingha HgTp

Poisoning the well (or attempting to poison the well) is a fallacy where irrelevant adverse information about a target is preemptively presented to an audience, with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing everything that the target person is about to say. Poisoning the well can be a special cas…




Nrsingha HgTp
Nrsingha HgTp Often, ad hominem attacks are used subtly in order to influence the views of spectators. This is often termed poisoning the well where it occurs before an argument has been made, and is a form of psychological priming. One could point out bad things thSee more
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Sankirtana Devi Dasi
Sankirtana Devi Dasi Krishna Kirti Das, with all due respect, from where I stand, you are the “young devotee”, having only joined ISKCON in 1986. This makes you possibly devoid of certain important experiences in earlier ISKCON necessary to speak on this topic.
(I also sSee more


Krishna Kirti Das
Krishna Kirti Das “The Vedic shastra explain that all of us in Kali yoga,women Vaisya and sudra are less intelligent.
This is why men cannot protect and fulfill the needs of women.””As men, we are not qualified. “Mother Sankirtana Devi, why don’t you, or the comments’author, explain how these statements are not saying “there are no good men who are giving protection to women”?

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Krishna Kirti Das

Krishna Kirti Das Mother Sankirtana Devi Dasi, do you agree with this account of the plight of women in ISKCON?

by Jyotirmayi Devi Dasi Reposted November 29, 2002 [Originally posted on Chakra on January 22, 1998] Historical Report: From about 1965 up to 1974, when Srila Prabhupada had to get less and less involved in temple management because of translating work and the tremendous increase of disciples and te…




Nrsingha HgTp
Nrsingha HgTp Strawman


Nrsingha HgTp
Nrsingha HgTp straw man
noun: strawmanSee more


Krishna Kirti Das

Krishna Kirti Das Mother Sankirtana Devi Dasi said, “No one is attacking you, or saying there are no good men who are giving protection to women. It’s a broader statement. Think of it as though he said that in Kaliyuga people’s intelligence has diminished greatly. . . “.So what you are saying is that even if there are good men protecting their wives, they are the exceptions that prove the rule. Like a black swan. The fact that black swans exist does not invalidate the statement “All swans are white.” In other words, the general case is that in Kali yuga, men cannot properly protect women, and that men who are capable and do so are the exceptions that prove the rule. Is that what you are saying?


Nrsingha HgTp
Nrsingha HgTp There is a gradation of quality of protection and in these times it is generally low. As can be seen both in and outside of Iskcon.


Sankirtana Devi Dasi
Sankirtana Devi Dasi Krishna Kirti Das
Just as not all women are feminists, not all men are misogynists.
In general, men in Kaliyuga are debilitated in their endeavor to give protection, just as we women are debilitated in our endeavors to properly submit to our protectoSee more


Krishna Kirti Das

Krishna Kirti Das Well, Mother Sankirtana Devi Dasi, thank you for trying to nuance your statements.But you are still of the opinion that men who are competent to “protect” women are rare, like men with “two PhDs”, right? If you really believe that, however, you have See more


Sankirtana Devi Dasi
Sankirtana Devi Dasi Krishna Kirti Das, you have successfully beat me into frustrated silence. (No more casting of pearls…)
Your type of stubborn blindness is the greatest reason for the problem in the first place, but you’ll never admit to its existencSee more
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William G Benedict
William G Benedict Raja guna tama guna destroy the peace of mind. Cultivate sattva guna first.


Nrsingha HgTp
Nrsingha HgTp Hatred of women occurs when we can no longer inspire them to follow Sri Dharma,their natural feminine instinct. As men we have to lead by chivalrous example.
Of course, chivalry is dead and all we are left with is our lower misogynistic nature. In geneSee more
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Krishna Kirti Das

Krishna Kirti Das Nrsingha HgTp, you just don’t know what you’re talking about. You are too young, wet behind the ears. What women have you maintained in your short life? Girlfriend on date, maybe?Go do something useful like distribute SP’s books, and please do read them on occasion and try to learn something from them.


Nrsingha HgTp
Nrsingha HgTp ad hominem
[ad hom-uh-nuh m -nem, ahd‐]
adjectiveSee more
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Nrsingha HgTp
Nrsingha HgTp You attacked your opponent’s character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.
Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to See more
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Nrsingha HgTp
Nrsingha HgTp That envy manifests as hatred of female,also. We have to rise above this if we truly want to inspire them to imbibe Sri Dharma.
Otherwise, our ordinary efforts may be counter-productive. As can be seen.
Not part of the solution then one is part of the problem. Make sense? Krishna Kirti Das prabhu


Nrsingha HgTp
Nrsingha HgTp “The blazing fire of material nature is supervised by Durgā. Often she is portrayed with weapons in her hands. She has ten hands, and each holds a different type of weapon. This indicates that she is ruling all ten directions of this universe. She wielSee more


Sankirtana Devi Dasi
Sankirtana Devi Dasi Krishna Kirti Das, I hope you listen to what your wife actually says, instead of what you think she is saying, as you’ve done with me. Otherwise, I feel very sorry for her.


William G Benedict
William G Benedict Nrsingha HgTp. Ad hominem sounds like what the Democrats do 24×7


Krishna Kirti Das

Krishna Kirti Das Nrsingha HgTp, an ad homiem attack is known as a fallacy of irrelevance because the attribute attacked is irrelevant to the actual argument being put forward. In your case, however, the attribute being attacked is your inexperience with regard to the protection of women. Experience is relevant, as that comes under pratyaksa (direct perception), which is one of three pramanas followers of the Vedas accept as valid sources of evidence.For example, in introducing the shortcoming of the attonement process prescribed by the Vedas, Srila Prabhupada notes the ways in which one according to his own intelligence learns: “Experience is gathered by hearing and seeing. One who is less intelligent gathers experience by seeing, and one who is more intelligent gathers experience by hearing.” So we accept experience as a valid means of insight, especially in practical matters such as we are diacussing. How should women be protected? Experience counts; people who have more experience in this generally know more than people who do not.

So, your inexperience being singled out as a disqualification for your argument is not an ad hominem attack, since experience is in fact relevant.

In this regard, I even gave you the benefit of the doubt and first asked you to describe specific characteristics in a man that might inspire a woman to take shelter of a man (according to your argument), but you could not describe even one. If you cannot do even that much, why should anyone believe that you have any kind of useful insight on the matter? Because experience is relevant, pointing out your inexperience is not an ad hominem attack.

Your inexperience with the conclusions of our disciplic succession has also been on display.

For example, you wrote:

“Hatred of women occurs when we can no longer inspire them to follow Sri Dharma,their natural feminine instinct. As men we have to lead by chivalrous example.
Of course, chivalry is dead and all we are left with is our lower misogynistic nature. In general.”

And then you ask, rhetorically, “Does that make sense?”

So, from the perspective of Srila Prabhupada’s teachings, let’s unpack your little ditty on “Sri Dharma”.

First, a correction. By “Sri Dharma” you meant “Stri-Dharma”, prescribed duties for women. “Stri” means woman, so “stri-dharma” means prescribed duties for women. I am assuming “Sri Dharma” was a mispelling.

“Hatred of women occurs when we can no longer inspire them to follow Sri Dharma, their natural feminine instinct.”

While it is a fact that women’s prescribed duties are centered on their husbands (see SB 7.11.25-29), “hatred of women occurs” does not necessarily follow from a husband’s not being able to “inspire them [women] to follow Stri Dharma.”

Sva-dharma (one’s prescribed duties) are prescribed according to one’s sva-bhava (one’s nature) (see BG 18.47 synonyms and translation for these. So you are correct in inferring that stri-dharma has something to do with women’s “natural feminine instinct”, but in writing “Sri Dharma, their natural feminine instinct”, you have made the mistake of equating “stri-dharma” with “stri-bhava”. Dharma and instinct (nature), are not the same, for while one may indeed have a particular nature, one may nonetheless choose to follow some duties other than those prescribed for one’s own nature.

As per SB 7.15.12 (and also BG 18.47 on para-dharma), this is called adharma. That is, one may choose to follow irreligious principles rather than religious ones. One can choose to act irreligiously, against one’s nature, instead of religiosly.

What this means in practical terms is that even in spite of having a good husbsnd, a woman may not feel like being religious. It’s her choice. She can commit adultery, do drugs, injure or kill a good husband, or just divorce him regardless of how good he is.

But if that is not the case, and we believe that women ALWAYS act according to their prescribed duties, then we have accepted the principle of qualification by birth.

Now we have some direct experience as to why caste brahnanism has been so deeply entrenched for so long in India. It feels really, really good to believe yourself qualified merely on birthright. So when women (and quite a few men) say that women just act according to their nature and are therefore without fault in their dealings with their husbands they have made the same claim about women that caste brahmanas make about themsreves: we are qualified by birth.

The complement of this odious belief is that men are irredeemable woman-haters. As Nrsingha HgTp wrote,

“As men we have to lead by chivalrous example. Of course, chivalry is dead and all we are left with is our lower misogynistic nature.”

There you have it, folks. Men are misogynists, because they are men. (For more on the problems of chivalry, qua chivalry, see JRR Tolkien’s thoughts about it here: ).

And on a final note, it is worth observing that Srila Prabhupada did not buy into the “man = misogynist” idea: “Sannyasid should never associate with women, but that does not mean that one who is in the lower stages of life, a young man, should not accept a wife in the marriage ceremony” (BG 18.5 purport). Srila Prabhupada did not buy into the belief that men in general are misogynists.

So, Prabhu Ji. You are a young man who has come to Krishna. But because you are young you are also inexperienced, both in terms of the ways of the world and in terms of the shastras. This is not a crime or something to be ashamed of. But you shouldn’t pretend to be more experienced than you are. It’s not an ad hominem attack to point this out because experience is indeed relevant to your argument, either by pratysksha or sabda.

Good luck to you in your career in Krishna consciousness. ys kkd


Nrsingha HgTp

Nrsingha HgTp Apparent inexperience does not make ones point any less true. That’s the point.As men we have to lead by chivalrous example.See more


Krishna Kirti Das
Krishna Kirti Das Your youth and inexperience is offered only as an explanation for your foolish statements. (It’s an abductive argument.) For example, what shastra says “chivalry is dead” and “all we are left with is our lower misogynistic nature”? Well, where are you getting them from? What is your pramana?


Krishna Kirti Das

Krishna Kirti Das One last thing I want to address before moving on is this statement from Mother Sankirtana Devi Dasi“Most of the men I’m talking about are not the husbands. The main culprits are temple presidents, GBC and gurus. I can provide many examples.”

This shows why experience, though an accpted pramana, is not enough by itself to convey correct knowledge. Even if you see something correctly, tou might still come to wrong coclusions about it.

I have addressed at length this rather conventional feminist argument put forward by Mother Jyotirmati at this link:…/what-about-srila-prabhupadas…/


Nrsingha HgTp
Nrsingha HgTp In your mind my statements are foolish. Because of your own cognitive bias and arrogance any statement that does not agree with your dogmatic conclusions must therefore be deemed foolish. 😃 You are like the Pharisee who upheld the letter of the law only. They were always right,blinded by their own sense of triumphalism.😉 People like that can never give credit where credit is due. They are like the guy who makes the scissors sign even when he is drowning. 😂
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Krishna Kirti Das

Krishna Kirti Das Your statements are conidered foolish because they are not supported by our shastras or acharyas. Yes, it is possible to follow the letter of the word but not the spirit, but our standard is that the spirit of the words must also be supported by the letter. The spirit is not indepemdent of the letter.That’s our standard.In our sampradaya, our statements are expected to conform to the words of sadhu, shastra, and guru. sadhu shastra guru vakya cittete kariya aikya, as per Narittama das Thakura. That is what SP taught us.

Unfiotunately, your words don’t conform to any of the words of these sources.

At the afternoon class here at the Delhi temple, we read from Gita 18.5, purport: “Vivaha yajna, the marriage ceremony, is meant to regulate the human mind to become peaceful for spiritual advancement. For most men, this vivaha-yajna should be encouraged even by most persons in the renounced order.” But here you are saying men in general hate women. Obviously, SP doesn’t agree that men are generally misogynists. Otherwise, why encourage most men to marry? Nothing Srila Prabhupada says supports your gospel.

Moreover, when asked to support your remarks with shastra (“chivalry is dead” and “all we are left wirh is our lower miaogynistic nature”), you just can’t do it. That’s why what you say is unacceptable.

If you want to continue saying such things, at least don’t also call yourself a follower of Srila Prabhupada. Otherwise that would be cheating.

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Basu Ghosh Das

Basu Ghosh Das Very well presented, Krishna Kirti Das Prabhu! It’s amazing — and very, very sad, that so-called devotees don’t understand the basic premise that ISKCON is supported by!Srila Prabhupada wrote in his purport to Srimad Bhagavatam 7.11.7:

pañcarātra-vidhiṁ vinā
aikāntikī harer bhaktir
utpātāyaiva kalpate

“The purport is that to become a devotee one must follow the principles laid down in śruti and smṛti. One must follow the codes of the Purāṇas and the pāñcarātrikī-vidhi. One cannot be a pure devotee without following the śruti and smṛti, and the śruti and smṛti without devotional service cannot lead one to the perfection of life.”

Foolish Nrsingha HgTp! He wants to be politically correct according to modern “liberal” social values. Instead of adhering to what Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur, and vedic shastra teach! He should do some serious introspection, and have a rethink about the validity of the liberal narrative, i.e. feminism, egalitarianism, etc.


William G Benedict

William G Benedict Feminism is demonic. This is clear from the Vedic injunctions and from the written and verbal guidance of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada.Yes it is very difficult to fight this as it is difficult to fight so much of the so-called liberal progressive agenda. It’s the time for Kali Maharaja and he is twisting the minds of all who are not taking shelter of the Hari Namam.

Sacinandana Swami Promotes Mayavadi Krishna Das

Bhanu Nandini Dasi (Beisa Grozdanić), possibly of Bosnian origin, former muslim, a disciple of Sacinandana Swami (SNS), initiated 2007, organized a kirtan festival in 2009 where Krishna Das, an American Mayavadi singer and disciple of Mayavadi Guru Neem Karoli Baba was the main singer.
This was all done with the full knowledge of SNS.Source:
The following is a machine translation.


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Krishna Das is a native New Yorker who has dedicated his life to music and spirituality. Recording albums of traditional Indian chants and songs since 1996. Benefits Western melodic sensibility performing kirtana (meditative music consisting of songs in Sanskrit), but at the same time maintains the traditional base and structure of Indian music. Special guest of the concert was a spiritual teacher Sacinandana Swami who will join Krishna Das in singing sacred songs. In the meantime, you can come in Bizek which is always fun and where you feel at home and even better.

 “Yoga is Music” team, invites you to a spiritual-musical event of the year!

Yoga Is Music Tour 2009 organized tour the world’s leading stars of kirtan – Krishna Das – to be held in

(1) Zagreb

9/17/09 concert in Tvornica in 20h

18:09:09 workshop in CM Pond 18-21h

(2) Split:

20.09.09 Concert in the Navy in the House Poljud 19.30

(3) Sarajevo:

22.09.09 Concert in the House of the Army in 20h

23:09:09 workshop at the Academy of Music in 19h

(4) Belgrade

25.09.09 Concert at the Youth Center in 20h27.09.09 workshop at the Center for Cultural Decontamination in 20h

(5) Novi Sad

26.09.09 Concert at the Youth Theatre in 20h

Krishna Das will run the factory standard repertoire of kirtan (singing dedicated) – will sing mantras in Sanskrit which followed him repeating audience. Given that this is a concert of meditative music will be placed mats for sitting, and visitors are free to bring mats or cushions for sitting meditation. However, the concert will not miss the dance and joy, which are an integral part of kirtan – a spiritual celebration through music. Special guest of the concert was a spiritual teacher Sacinandana Swami who will join Krishna Das in singing sacred songs.

The workshop program at the Center of youth “Pond” will consist of singing Krishna Das on the principle of invocation and response, and he will speak and about his spiritual journey and read from the spiritual literature. The spiritual master Swami Sacinandana lead to meditation “Cathedral of Sound”, and there will be time to talk with participants.

If you are interested in visiting the concert, please contact, the e-mail address or by phone 091 349 07 11

We wish to emphasize that our cultural music project “Yoga Is Music” aims to present the world of kirtan in our region. The tour would be called. Opening of the project, in which we plan to organize monthly workshops kirtan, the Sangha, the spiritual theater, yoga festivals and yoga fairs and thus joint action to present yoga and everything includes yoga.

If we have this seems interesting, please contact us at the above address and phone.

In the hope that you will accept our invitation and visit gig

Your “Yoga Is Music ‘Team Zagreb

Beisa Grozdanić

Coordinator tour

Yoga Is Music is a cultural music project that organizes concerts and workshops meditative music (kirtan) in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia. We are pleased to present the beauty and culture of congregational chanting of giving rise to a unique spiritual experience for all who participate in it.

Krishna Das is a native New Yorker who has dedicated his life to music and spirituality. Recording albums of traditional Indian chants and songs since 1996. Benefits Western melodic sensibility performing kirtana (meditative music consisting of songs in Sanskrit), but at the same time maintains the traditional base and structure of Indian music. More about him can be found on


To think that Krishna Das the mayavadi singer has any devotion in him towards Krishna is a complete foolishness. A foolishness that this woman and her guru commits.

A devotee never praises mayavadis.

Dr. Patel: I studied the Puranian philosophy by Huxley. I think somebody must know, he was very good. He’s stressed bhakti-marga. Huxley, Julius Huxley.

Prabhupada: Well, if he’s a bhakti-marga, then he would not have eulogized Ramakrishna.

Dr. Patel: He is wonderful.

Prabhupada: He has eulogized Ramakrishna.

Dr. Patel: (Hindi.)

Prabhupada: Yes, he has eulogized Ramakrishna, this Huxley. You know that?

Quotes from Prabhupada’s book about Mayavadi’s singing

“…One should not hear the statements of Srimad-Bhagavatam from professional reciters, or else they will not be effective. Quoting from Padma Purana, Sri Sanatana Gosvami has strictly forbidden us to hear about the activities of the Lord and His devotees from the mouths of non-devotees:

putam hari-kathamrtam
sravanam naiva kartavyam
sarpocchistam yatha payah

“One should not hear anything about Krsna from a non-Vaisnava. Milk touched by the lips of a serpent has poisonous effects; similarly, talks about Krsna given by a non-Vaisnava are also poisonous.” One must be a bona fide devotee, and then he can preach and impress devotional service upon his listeners. [SB 6.17.41]
“The transcendental vibration of the Lord’s holy name is completely spiritual. Thus it must be received from spiritual sources and must be chanted after having been heard from a spiritual master. One who hears the chanting of the Hare Krsna mantra must receive it from the spiritual master by aural reception. Srila Sanatana Gosvami has forbidden us to hear the holy name of Krsna chanted by non-Vaisnavas, such as professional actors and singers, for it will have no effect. It is like milk touched by the lips of a serpent, as stated in the Padma Purana:

avaisnava-mukhodgirnam putam hari-kathamrtam
sravanam naiva kartavyam sarpocchistam yatha payah”
[Anti-lila, Caitanya Caritamtra 1.101]
“avaisnava-mukhodgirnam putam hari-kathamrtam
sravanam naiva kartavyam sarpocchistam yatha payah
(Padma Purana)

“One should not hear anything about Krsna from a non-Vaisnava. Milk touched by the lips of a serpent has poisonous effects; similarly, talks about Krsna given by a non-Vaisnava are also poisonous.”
Unless one is a fully unalloyed devotee of the Lord, one should not try to describe the pastimes of Krsna in poetry, for it will be only mundane. There are many descriptions of Krsna’s Bhagavad-gita written by persons whose consciousness is mundane and who are not qualified by pure devotion. Although they attempted to write transcendental literature, they could not fully engage even a single devotee in Krsna’s service. Such literature is mundane, and therefore, as warned by Sri Sanatana Gosvami, one should not touch it.” [Antiya-lila CC1.211]

“avaisnava-mukhodgirnam putam hari-kathamrtam
sravanam naiva kartavyam sarpocchistam yatha payah

“No one should hear or take lessons from a person who is not a Vaisnava. Even if he speaks about Krsna, such a lesson should not be accepted, for it is like milk touched by the lips of a serpent.” Nowadays it is fashionable to observe Bhagavata-saptaha and hear Srimad-Bhagavatam from persons who are anything but advanced devotees or self-realized souls. There are even many Mayavadis who read Srimad-Bhagavatam to throngs of people. Many Mayavadis have recently begun reciting Srimad-Bhagavatam in Vrndavana, and because they can present the Bhagavatam with word jugglery, twisting the meaning by grammatical tricks, materialistic persons who go to Vrndavana as a matter of spiritual fashion like to hear them. All this is clearly forbidden by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. We should note carefully that since these Mayavadis cannot personally know the meaning of Srimad-Bhagavatam, they can never deliver others by reciting it. On the other hand, an advanced devotee of the Lord is free from material bondage. He personifies Srimad-Bhagavatam in life and action. Therefore we advise that anyone who wants to learn Srimad-Bhagavatam must approach such a realized soul.” [Antya 13.114]
“One should not accept messages from the professional men, as one should not accept milk touched by the tongue of a serpent. Milk is good, but as soon as it is touched by the snake it becomes poisonous. The acarya, therefore, is not a mercenary order-supplier like the professional reciter of scriptures.” [Light of the Bhagavata,pg33]
“We are talking about Krsna, reading about Krsna, reading Krsna’s instruction in the Bhagavad-gita or reading Krsna’s glories in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. They are all kirtana. It is not that simply when we sing with musical instruments, that is kirtana. No. Anything you talk about Krsna, that is kirtan.” [Srila Prabhupada, Nairobi, October 27, 1975]
“We shall stick only to the Vaisnava standard set for us by the great acaryas and saintly persons, namely, the Hare Krishna Mantra and other mantras which I have taught to you, but we shall not produce something artificial by writing and playing our own songs as we like.” [Letter to: Aksoja 1,–Los Angeles,25 June, 1972]

aham ca gayams tad-vidvan
stribhih parivrto gatah
jnatva visva-srjas tan me
helanam sepur ojasa
yahi tvam sudratam asu
nasta-srih krta-helanah

TRANSLATION Narada Muni continued: Being invited to that festival, I also joined, and, surrounded by women, I began musically singing the glories of the demigods. Because of this, the prajapatis, the great demigods in charge of the affairs of the universe, forcefully cursed me with these words: “Because you have committed an offense, may you immediately become a sudra, devoid of beauty.”
PURPORT As far as kirtana is concerned, the sastras say, sravanam kirtanam visnoh: [SB 7.5.23] one should chant the glories of the Supreme Lord and the holy name of the Supreme Lord. This is clearly stated. Sravanam kirtanam visnoh: one should chant about and glorify Lord Visnu, not any demigod. Unfortunately, there are foolish persons who invent some process of kirtana on the basis of a demigod’s name. This is an offense. Kirtana means glorifying the Supreme Lord, not any demigod. Sometimes people invent kali-kirtana or siva-kirtana, and even big sannyasis in the Mayavada school say that one may chant any name and still get the same result. But here we find that millions and millions of years ago, when Narada Muni was a Gandharva, he neglected the order to glorify the Lord, and being mad in the association of women, he began to chant otherwise. Thus he was cursed to become a sudra. His first offense was that he went to join the sankirtana party in the company of lusty women, and another offense was that he considered ordinary songs, like cinema songs and other such songs, to be equal to sankirtana. For this offense he was punished with becoming a sudra. SB 7.15.73
Such transcendental relationships with the Supreme Lord cannot be manufactured by the mental concoctions of pseudo-devotees. In Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu (1.2.101) Rupa Gosvami has stated that devotional service that makes no reference to Vedic scriptures or Vedic literatures and that does not follow the principles set forth therein can never be approved. Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Maharaja has also remarked that professional spiritual masters, professional Bhagavatam reciters, professional kirtana performers and those engaged in self-concocted devotional service cannot be accepted. In India there are various professional communities known as Aula, Vaula, Kartabhaja, Neda Daravesa, Snai, Atibadi, Cudadhari, and Gauranganagari. A member of the Ventor Gosvami Society, or the caste called gosvami, cannot be accepted as a descendant of the six original Gosvamis. Nor can so-called devotees who manufacture songs about Lord Caitanya, nor those who are professional priests or paid reciters, be accepted. One who does not follow the principles of pancaratra, or one who is an impersonalist or addicted to sex life, cannot be compared with those who have dedicated their lives to the service of Krsna. A pure devotee who is always engaged in Krsna consciousness can sacrifice everything for the service of the Lord. One who has dedicated his life to the service of Lord Caitanya, Krsna and the spiritual master, or a person who is following the principles of householder life, as well as one following the principles of the renounced life in the order of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, is a devotee and cannot be compared to professional men. [Srila Prabhupada,TLC, 29]
“The chanting process offered by Lord Caitanya for achieving love of God is called sankirtana. Sankirtana is a Sanskrit word. Sam means samyak-“complete.” And kirtana means “glorifying” or “describing.” So complete description means complete glorification of the Supreme, or the Supreme Complete Whole. It is not that one can describe anything or glorify anything and that will be kirtana. From the grammatical point of view that may be kirtana, but according to the Vedic system, kirtana means describing the supreme authority, the Absolute Truth, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is called kirtana.” [SSR.5]
“No other kirtana is recommended. This hari-kirtana was started five hundred years ago in Bengal by Lord Caitanya. In Bengal there is competition between the Vaisnavas and the saktas. The saktas have introduced a certain type of kirtana called kali-kirtana. But in the Vedic scriptures there is no recommendation of kali-kirtana. Kirtana means hari-kirtana. One cannot say, “Oh, you are Vaisnava. You can perform hari-kirtana. I shall perform siva-kirtana or devi-kirtana or ganesa-kirtana.” No. The Vedic scriptures do not authorize any kirtana other than hari-kirtana. Kirtana means hari-kirtana, the glorification of Krsna.” [SSR,5]
“When the Mayavadis pretend to perform kirtana or hold discourses on the Bhagavatam for personal name and fame, they may sing and talk about Brahman, Caitanya, and Paramatma, but they cannot utter Lord Krsna’s name. Although the words sri bhagavan uvaca (“the Supreme Personality of Godhead said”) appear throughout the Bhagavad-gita, the Mayavadis are prepared to say everything else except the name of Krsna. It is a well known scriptural truth that the words Brahman and Paramatma refer ultimately to Lord Krsna and that Krsna is the principle name of the Supreme Absolute Person. But even when the Mayavadis chant such names of God as Krsna, Govinda, or Hari, they do so not with the understanding and faith that these names are God’s principal names and that they are nondifferent from the Supreme Lord, but rather with the idea that chanting them is a temporary means of sadhana, or spiritual practice. They also do not admit that such chanting of the holy name is an offence. Of course, their biggest offence is to distinguish between Lord Krsna and His form. Thus in the Gita (9.11), Lord Krsna Himself condemns these offenders:

avajananti mam mudha
manusim tanum asritam
param bhavam ajananto
mama bhuta-mahesvaram

Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature as the Supreme Lord of all that be. Let us study how Dr. Radhakrishnan has translated this verse, which appears on page 242 of his book: “The deluded despise Me clad in human body, not knowing My higher nature as Lord of all existences.” In other words, when the person who is “Lord of all existences” is “clad in human body,” those who see from a materialistic perspective take Him for an ordinary mortal, while those who see from a spiritual perspective understand that He is the Supreme Being, the cause of all causes. So if it is the deluded who despise Lord Krsna, then is it not time for Dr. Radhakrishnan himself to admit that he is guilty of this crime? Let him realize how he has abused the “Lord of all existences,” equating Him with a mere mortal. When we see how such big scholars are inimical toward Lord Krsna, we can conclude, following the Gita, that their intelligence has been stolen by maya.[Renunciation Through Wisdom, Ch4]
“The Mayavadis think that everyone is God; they say, “The demigods are God, I am God, you are God.” Therefore they say one can chant any name and become liberated. In Bengal it is very popular to hold a kali-kirtana. A party of people meet and chant, “Kali! Kali! Kali!” or the names of so many so-called avataras. One rascal added his wife’s name to the chanting, and his foolish followers accepted it. In this way Mayavadi philosophers are leading their followers straight to hell. Caitanya Mahaprabhu has therefore strongly warned against hearing from the Mayavadi philosophers, lest one’s spiritual life be spoiled and the path of devotional service blocked. We should always remember this when there is any question of chanting other names. We should chant the holy name of Visnu, the holy name of Krsna-no one else’s name.” [Second Chance, Ch15]


A mayavadi Krishna Das is being called a devotee by Sacinandana Swami and his followers. What does that tell you about the SNS’s understanding of vaishnava siddhanta? Try not to be the moron that the sweet Hridayananda Goswami describes iskcon members to be and try and think about it. Hariboool!

Sacinandana Swami Loves Mayavadi Singer Krishna Das

SNS had allowed Mayavadi singer Krishna Das to sing in front of the temple devotee. This is an outrage!


Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī has forbidden us to hear the holy name of Kṛṣṇa chanted by non-Vaiṣṇavas, such as professional actors and singers, for it will have no effect. It is like milk touched by the lips of a serpent, as stated in the Padma Purāṇa:
avaiṣṇava-mukhodgīrṇaṁ pūtaṁ hari-kathāmṛtam
śravaṇaṁ naiva kartavyaṁ sarpocchiṣṭaṁ yathā payaḥ
CC Antya 1.101, Purport:

Suspicious Sahajiya Acts of Sacinandana Swami Disciples

This is Bhanu-nandini dasi, SNS disciple eating food from the hands of a vraj resident.

Quoting an incident from Bhaktisiddhanta Vaibhava

Further indication of Nitya-sakhā Babu’s deviant tendencies came at mealtimes, when the Gauḍīya Maṭha devotees witnessed him and a friend pushing into each other’s mouth morsels of food from their own plate—a practice typical of prākṛta-sahajiyās.

There is too little evidence to conclude anything. It may be just a local sahajiya man wandering off to the site of this skit and he may have feed food to Bhanu Nandini Dasi. And she might have not understood that as well. This is not evil etc.

But to think that Krishna Das the mayavadi singer has any devotion in him towards Krishna is a complete foolishness. A foolishness that this woman and her guru commits.

A devotee never praises mayavadis.

Dr. Patel: I studied the Puranian philosophy by Huxley. I think somebody must know, he was very good. He’s stressed bhakti-marga. Huxley, Julius Huxley.
Prabhupada: Well, if he’s a bhakti-marga, then he would not have eulogized Ramakrishna.
Dr. Patel: He is wonderful.
Prabhupada: He has eulogized Ramakrishna.
Dr. Patel: (Hindi.)
Prabhupada: Yes, he has eulogized Ramakrishna, this Huxley. You know that?

We will leave the conclusion to you. Haribol!

Radha Govinda Swami Info

There is one picture of him speaking in the Sandipani Muni KARMI EDUCATION Girl’s School. Later on picture was removed by someone because of some reason.

We really dont think he spoke against karmi education for girls, the education which makes them sinful karmis later on in life as Prabhupada said. We dont think so he spoke what Prabhupada spoke on karmi education in iskcon.


So he is a man who doesn’t speak these things at venues which need such speech the most. So what can we say more about him?

Lecture on SB 1.3.13 — Los Angeles, September 18, 1972 –
Prabhupada: So dealing with woman… Especially instruction are given to men. All literatures, all Vedic literatures, they are especially meant for instruction to the men. Woman is to follow the husband. That’s all. The husband will give instruction to the wife. There is no such thing as the girl should go to school to take brahmacari asrama or go to spiritual master to take instruction. That is not Vedic system. Vedic system is a man is fully instructed, and woman, girl, must be married to a man. Even the man may have many wives, polygamy, still, every woman should be married. And she would get instruction from the husband. This is Vedic system. Woman is not allowed to go to school, college, or to the spiritual master. But husband and wife, they can be initiated. That is Vedic system.
Morning Conversation — April 29, 1977, Bombay –
Prabhupāda: So far gurukula is concerned, that also, I have given program. They have given the name of “girls.” We are not going to do that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is that?
Prabhupāda: Girls. Boys and girls. That is dangerous.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Gurukula.
Prabhupāda: In that article.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, oh, oh.
Prabhupāda: Girls should be completely separated from the very beginning. They are very dangerous.
Tamala Krsna: So we’re… I thought there were girls in Vrindävana now. They said that they’re going to have the girls’ gurukula behind the boys’ gurukula. Gopäla was talking about that.
Prabhupada: No, no, no. No girls.
Tamala Krsna: It should be in another city or somewhere else.
Prabhupada: Yes. They should be taught how to sweep, how to stitch…
Tamala Krsna: Clean.
Prabhupada: …clean, cook, to be faithful to the husband.
Tamala Krsna: They don’t require a big school.
Prabhupada: No, no. That is mistake. They should be taught how to become obedient to the husband.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, you won’t learn that in school.
Prabhupada: Little education, they can…
Tamala Krsna: Yeah. That they can get at home also.
Prabhupada: They should be stopped, this practice of prostitution. This is a very bad system in Europe and America. The boys and girls, they are educated-coeducation. From the very beginning of their life they become prostitutes. And they encourage.
Morning Walk — March 14, 1974, Vrindavan –
Satsvarupa: Srila Prabhupada, is this school for women also, or just for men?
Prabhupada: For men. Women should automatically learn how to cook, how to cleanse home.
Satsvarupa: So they don’t attend varnasrama college.
Prabhupada: No, no. Varnasrama college especially meant for the brahmana, ksatriya and vaisya. Those who are not fit for education, they are sudras. That’s all. Or those who are reluctant to take education, sudra means. That’s all. They should assist the higher class.
Morning Walk — July 10, 1975, Chicago –
Prabhupāda: No, no, it is not bad. It is good. Now our policy should be that at Dallas we shall create first-class men, and we shall teach the girls two things. One thing is how to become chaste and faithful to their husband and how to cook nicely. If these two qualifications they have, I will take guarantee to get for them good husband. I’ll personally… Yes. These two qualifications required. She must learn how to prepare first-class foodstuff, and she must learn how to become chaste and faithful to the husband. Only these two qualification required. Then her life is successful. So try to do that. (Car doors open, walk begins) Ordinary education is sufficient, ABCD. This is all nonsense, so big, big, sound education and later on become a prostitute. What is this education? (laughter) To make them prostitute, it doesn’t require education. [break] Yesterday we saw in the television how these rascals are wasting time, talking nonsense. There was nothing, valuable talk. Foot… No, no, hand… What is that? Handprint? And the addicted murder? That was the case? [break] Within two weeks, two divorces.
Devotees: Yes. [break]
Prabhupāda: In the Dallas there is no problem. Educate the girls how to become faithful, chaste wife and how to cook nicely. Let them learn varieties of cooking. Is very difficult? These two qualifications, apart from Kṛṣṇa consciousness, materially they should learn. There are many stories, Nala-Damayantī, then Pārvatī, Sītā, five chaste women in the history. They should read their life. And by fifteenth, sixteenth year they should be married. And if they are qualified, it will be not difficult to find out a nice husband. Here the boys, they do not want to marry because they are not very much inclined to marry unchaste wife. They know it, that “I shall marry a girl, she is unchaste.” What do you think?
Room conversation — January 31, 1977, Bhubaneshwar –
Satsvarüpa: Yes. (break) Mainly it’s about the girls who are over ten. They were in Vrndävana and discussed this with Jagadisa, but they couldn’t settle up, so they wanted to know what you think. Their idea is that… As of now, there is no plan for a school for the girls over ten, but just that they should return to their parents and not get any more schooling. But they’re thinking that there should be, and one reason is that you said in France that the girls could learn these sixty-four arts. So they were thinking that there should be a school for girls over ten, and that it should be situated in India. One reason is that in India our teachers can take help from Indian Life Member ladies who know these arts. Our Western devotees don’t know them, the cooking and painting and things like this, but the Indian women do. …
Prabhupada: My opinion is already there according to the… They should be chaste, faithful to husband. Little literary knowledge, they can read. That’s all. Not very much.
Letter to Female Disciple ‒ February 16, 1972 Calcutta –
My Dear Chaya dasi,
Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated January 29, 1972, and I have noted the contents.
Complete separation from the boys is not necessary for girls at such young age, so I don’t require that they must be educated separately, only that they should live separately. What do they know of boy or girl at such young age? There was one question by a little girl like Sarasvati to her father: “Father, when you were young were you a boy or a girl?”
So when they are grown up, at about 10 to 12 years old, then you can make separate departments for teaching also. But while they are so young, although they must live in separate boys and girls quarters, they may be educated sometimes together, there is no such restriction that little girls should not have association with little boys, not until they are grown up.
All the children should learn to read and write very nicely, and a little mathematics, so that they will be able to read our books. Cooking, sewing, things like that do not require schooling, they are learned simply by association. There is no question of academic education for either boys or girls–simply a little mathematics and being able to read and write well, that’s all, no universities.
Their higher education they will get from our books, and other things they will get from experience, like preaching, SKP, etc. Alongside the regular classes in reading and writing, the other routine programs they should also participate in, like arati, kirtana, preaching, Sankirtana, like that.
You ask about marriage, yes, actually I want that every woman in the Society should be married. But what is this training to become wives and mothers? No school is required for that, simply association. And it is not necessary to say that women only can instruct the girls and men only can instruct the boys, not when they are so young. At 12 years, they may be initiated.
A woman’s real business is to look after household affairs, keep everything neat and clean, and if there is sufficient milk supply available, she should always be engaged in churning butter, making yogurt, curd, so many nice varieties, simply from milk. The woman should be cleaning, sewing, like that.
So if you simply practice these things yourselves and show examples, they will learn automatically, one doesn’t have to give formal instruction in these matters.
Hoping this will meet you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami