Sacinandana Swami Promotes Mayavadi Krishna Das

Bhanu Nandini Dasi (Beisa Grozdanić), possibly of Bosnian origin, former muslim, a disciple of Sacinandana Swami (SNS), initiated 2007, organized a kirtan festival in 2009 where Krishna Das, an American Mayavadi singer and disciple of Mayavadi Guru Neem Karoli Baba was the main singer.
This was all done with the full knowledge of SNS.Source:
The following is a machine translation.


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Krishna Das is a native New Yorker who has dedicated his life to music and spirituality. Recording albums of traditional Indian chants and songs since 1996. Benefits Western melodic sensibility performing kirtana (meditative music consisting of songs in Sanskrit), but at the same time maintains the traditional base and structure of Indian music. Special guest of the concert was a spiritual teacher Sacinandana Swami who will join Krishna Das in singing sacred songs. In the meantime, you can come in Bizek which is always fun and where you feel at home and even better.

 “Yoga is Music” team, invites you to a spiritual-musical event of the year!

Yoga Is Music Tour 2009 organized tour the world’s leading stars of kirtan – Krishna Das – to be held in

(1) Zagreb

9/17/09 concert in Tvornica in 20h

18:09:09 workshop in CM Pond 18-21h

(2) Split:

20.09.09 Concert in the Navy in the House Poljud 19.30

(3) Sarajevo:

22.09.09 Concert in the House of the Army in 20h

23:09:09 workshop at the Academy of Music in 19h

(4) Belgrade

25.09.09 Concert at the Youth Center in 20h27.09.09 workshop at the Center for Cultural Decontamination in 20h

(5) Novi Sad

26.09.09 Concert at the Youth Theatre in 20h

Krishna Das will run the factory standard repertoire of kirtan (singing dedicated) – will sing mantras in Sanskrit which followed him repeating audience. Given that this is a concert of meditative music will be placed mats for sitting, and visitors are free to bring mats or cushions for sitting meditation. However, the concert will not miss the dance and joy, which are an integral part of kirtan – a spiritual celebration through music. Special guest of the concert was a spiritual teacher Sacinandana Swami who will join Krishna Das in singing sacred songs.

The workshop program at the Center of youth “Pond” will consist of singing Krishna Das on the principle of invocation and response, and he will speak and about his spiritual journey and read from the spiritual literature. The spiritual master Swami Sacinandana lead to meditation “Cathedral of Sound”, and there will be time to talk with participants.

If you are interested in visiting the concert, please contact, the e-mail address or by phone 091 349 07 11

We wish to emphasize that our cultural music project “Yoga Is Music” aims to present the world of kirtan in our region. The tour would be called. Opening of the project, in which we plan to organize monthly workshops kirtan, the Sangha, the spiritual theater, yoga festivals and yoga fairs and thus joint action to present yoga and everything includes yoga.

If we have this seems interesting, please contact us at the above address and phone.

In the hope that you will accept our invitation and visit gig

Your “Yoga Is Music ‘Team Zagreb

Beisa Grozdanić

Coordinator tour

Yoga Is Music is a cultural music project that organizes concerts and workshops meditative music (kirtan) in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia. We are pleased to present the beauty and culture of congregational chanting of giving rise to a unique spiritual experience for all who participate in it.

Krishna Das is a native New Yorker who has dedicated his life to music and spirituality. Recording albums of traditional Indian chants and songs since 1996. Benefits Western melodic sensibility performing kirtana (meditative music consisting of songs in Sanskrit), but at the same time maintains the traditional base and structure of Indian music. More about him can be found on


To think that Krishna Das the mayavadi singer has any devotion in him towards Krishna is a complete foolishness. A foolishness that this woman and her guru commits.

A devotee never praises mayavadis.

Dr. Patel: I studied the Puranian philosophy by Huxley. I think somebody must know, he was very good. He’s stressed bhakti-marga. Huxley, Julius Huxley.

Prabhupada: Well, if he’s a bhakti-marga, then he would not have eulogized Ramakrishna.

Dr. Patel: He is wonderful.

Prabhupada: He has eulogized Ramakrishna.

Dr. Patel: (Hindi.)

Prabhupada: Yes, he has eulogized Ramakrishna, this Huxley. You know that?

Quotes from Prabhupada’s book about Mayavadi’s singing

“…One should not hear the statements of Srimad-Bhagavatam from professional reciters, or else they will not be effective. Quoting from Padma Purana, Sri Sanatana Gosvami has strictly forbidden us to hear about the activities of the Lord and His devotees from the mouths of non-devotees:

putam hari-kathamrtam
sravanam naiva kartavyam
sarpocchistam yatha payah

“One should not hear anything about Krsna from a non-Vaisnava. Milk touched by the lips of a serpent has poisonous effects; similarly, talks about Krsna given by a non-Vaisnava are also poisonous.” One must be a bona fide devotee, and then he can preach and impress devotional service upon his listeners. [SB 6.17.41]
“The transcendental vibration of the Lord’s holy name is completely spiritual. Thus it must be received from spiritual sources and must be chanted after having been heard from a spiritual master. One who hears the chanting of the Hare Krsna mantra must receive it from the spiritual master by aural reception. Srila Sanatana Gosvami has forbidden us to hear the holy name of Krsna chanted by non-Vaisnavas, such as professional actors and singers, for it will have no effect. It is like milk touched by the lips of a serpent, as stated in the Padma Purana:

avaisnava-mukhodgirnam putam hari-kathamrtam
sravanam naiva kartavyam sarpocchistam yatha payah”
[Anti-lila, Caitanya Caritamtra 1.101]
“avaisnava-mukhodgirnam putam hari-kathamrtam
sravanam naiva kartavyam sarpocchistam yatha payah
(Padma Purana)

“One should not hear anything about Krsna from a non-Vaisnava. Milk touched by the lips of a serpent has poisonous effects; similarly, talks about Krsna given by a non-Vaisnava are also poisonous.”
Unless one is a fully unalloyed devotee of the Lord, one should not try to describe the pastimes of Krsna in poetry, for it will be only mundane. There are many descriptions of Krsna’s Bhagavad-gita written by persons whose consciousness is mundane and who are not qualified by pure devotion. Although they attempted to write transcendental literature, they could not fully engage even a single devotee in Krsna’s service. Such literature is mundane, and therefore, as warned by Sri Sanatana Gosvami, one should not touch it.” [Antiya-lila CC1.211]

“avaisnava-mukhodgirnam putam hari-kathamrtam
sravanam naiva kartavyam sarpocchistam yatha payah

“No one should hear or take lessons from a person who is not a Vaisnava. Even if he speaks about Krsna, such a lesson should not be accepted, for it is like milk touched by the lips of a serpent.” Nowadays it is fashionable to observe Bhagavata-saptaha and hear Srimad-Bhagavatam from persons who are anything but advanced devotees or self-realized souls. There are even many Mayavadis who read Srimad-Bhagavatam to throngs of people. Many Mayavadis have recently begun reciting Srimad-Bhagavatam in Vrndavana, and because they can present the Bhagavatam with word jugglery, twisting the meaning by grammatical tricks, materialistic persons who go to Vrndavana as a matter of spiritual fashion like to hear them. All this is clearly forbidden by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. We should note carefully that since these Mayavadis cannot personally know the meaning of Srimad-Bhagavatam, they can never deliver others by reciting it. On the other hand, an advanced devotee of the Lord is free from material bondage. He personifies Srimad-Bhagavatam in life and action. Therefore we advise that anyone who wants to learn Srimad-Bhagavatam must approach such a realized soul.” [Antya 13.114]
“One should not accept messages from the professional men, as one should not accept milk touched by the tongue of a serpent. Milk is good, but as soon as it is touched by the snake it becomes poisonous. The acarya, therefore, is not a mercenary order-supplier like the professional reciter of scriptures.” [Light of the Bhagavata,pg33]
“We are talking about Krsna, reading about Krsna, reading Krsna’s instruction in the Bhagavad-gita or reading Krsna’s glories in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. They are all kirtana. It is not that simply when we sing with musical instruments, that is kirtana. No. Anything you talk about Krsna, that is kirtan.” [Srila Prabhupada, Nairobi, October 27, 1975]
“We shall stick only to the Vaisnava standard set for us by the great acaryas and saintly persons, namely, the Hare Krishna Mantra and other mantras which I have taught to you, but we shall not produce something artificial by writing and playing our own songs as we like.” [Letter to: Aksoja 1,–Los Angeles,25 June, 1972]

aham ca gayams tad-vidvan
stribhih parivrto gatah
jnatva visva-srjas tan me
helanam sepur ojasa
yahi tvam sudratam asu
nasta-srih krta-helanah

TRANSLATION Narada Muni continued: Being invited to that festival, I also joined, and, surrounded by women, I began musically singing the glories of the demigods. Because of this, the prajapatis, the great demigods in charge of the affairs of the universe, forcefully cursed me with these words: “Because you have committed an offense, may you immediately become a sudra, devoid of beauty.”
PURPORT As far as kirtana is concerned, the sastras say, sravanam kirtanam visnoh: [SB 7.5.23] one should chant the glories of the Supreme Lord and the holy name of the Supreme Lord. This is clearly stated. Sravanam kirtanam visnoh: one should chant about and glorify Lord Visnu, not any demigod. Unfortunately, there are foolish persons who invent some process of kirtana on the basis of a demigod’s name. This is an offense. Kirtana means glorifying the Supreme Lord, not any demigod. Sometimes people invent kali-kirtana or siva-kirtana, and even big sannyasis in the Mayavada school say that one may chant any name and still get the same result. But here we find that millions and millions of years ago, when Narada Muni was a Gandharva, he neglected the order to glorify the Lord, and being mad in the association of women, he began to chant otherwise. Thus he was cursed to become a sudra. His first offense was that he went to join the sankirtana party in the company of lusty women, and another offense was that he considered ordinary songs, like cinema songs and other such songs, to be equal to sankirtana. For this offense he was punished with becoming a sudra. SB 7.15.73
Such transcendental relationships with the Supreme Lord cannot be manufactured by the mental concoctions of pseudo-devotees. In Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu (1.2.101) Rupa Gosvami has stated that devotional service that makes no reference to Vedic scriptures or Vedic literatures and that does not follow the principles set forth therein can never be approved. Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Maharaja has also remarked that professional spiritual masters, professional Bhagavatam reciters, professional kirtana performers and those engaged in self-concocted devotional service cannot be accepted. In India there are various professional communities known as Aula, Vaula, Kartabhaja, Neda Daravesa, Snai, Atibadi, Cudadhari, and Gauranganagari. A member of the Ventor Gosvami Society, or the caste called gosvami, cannot be accepted as a descendant of the six original Gosvamis. Nor can so-called devotees who manufacture songs about Lord Caitanya, nor those who are professional priests or paid reciters, be accepted. One who does not follow the principles of pancaratra, or one who is an impersonalist or addicted to sex life, cannot be compared with those who have dedicated their lives to the service of Krsna. A pure devotee who is always engaged in Krsna consciousness can sacrifice everything for the service of the Lord. One who has dedicated his life to the service of Lord Caitanya, Krsna and the spiritual master, or a person who is following the principles of householder life, as well as one following the principles of the renounced life in the order of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, is a devotee and cannot be compared to professional men. [Srila Prabhupada,TLC, 29]
“The chanting process offered by Lord Caitanya for achieving love of God is called sankirtana. Sankirtana is a Sanskrit word. Sam means samyak-“complete.” And kirtana means “glorifying” or “describing.” So complete description means complete glorification of the Supreme, or the Supreme Complete Whole. It is not that one can describe anything or glorify anything and that will be kirtana. From the grammatical point of view that may be kirtana, but according to the Vedic system, kirtana means describing the supreme authority, the Absolute Truth, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is called kirtana.” [SSR.5]
“No other kirtana is recommended. This hari-kirtana was started five hundred years ago in Bengal by Lord Caitanya. In Bengal there is competition between the Vaisnavas and the saktas. The saktas have introduced a certain type of kirtana called kali-kirtana. But in the Vedic scriptures there is no recommendation of kali-kirtana. Kirtana means hari-kirtana. One cannot say, “Oh, you are Vaisnava. You can perform hari-kirtana. I shall perform siva-kirtana or devi-kirtana or ganesa-kirtana.” No. The Vedic scriptures do not authorize any kirtana other than hari-kirtana. Kirtana means hari-kirtana, the glorification of Krsna.” [SSR,5]
“When the Mayavadis pretend to perform kirtana or hold discourses on the Bhagavatam for personal name and fame, they may sing and talk about Brahman, Caitanya, and Paramatma, but they cannot utter Lord Krsna’s name. Although the words sri bhagavan uvaca (“the Supreme Personality of Godhead said”) appear throughout the Bhagavad-gita, the Mayavadis are prepared to say everything else except the name of Krsna. It is a well known scriptural truth that the words Brahman and Paramatma refer ultimately to Lord Krsna and that Krsna is the principle name of the Supreme Absolute Person. But even when the Mayavadis chant such names of God as Krsna, Govinda, or Hari, they do so not with the understanding and faith that these names are God’s principal names and that they are nondifferent from the Supreme Lord, but rather with the idea that chanting them is a temporary means of sadhana, or spiritual practice. They also do not admit that such chanting of the holy name is an offence. Of course, their biggest offence is to distinguish between Lord Krsna and His form. Thus in the Gita (9.11), Lord Krsna Himself condemns these offenders:

avajananti mam mudha
manusim tanum asritam
param bhavam ajananto
mama bhuta-mahesvaram

Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature as the Supreme Lord of all that be. Let us study how Dr. Radhakrishnan has translated this verse, which appears on page 242 of his book: “The deluded despise Me clad in human body, not knowing My higher nature as Lord of all existences.” In other words, when the person who is “Lord of all existences” is “clad in human body,” those who see from a materialistic perspective take Him for an ordinary mortal, while those who see from a spiritual perspective understand that He is the Supreme Being, the cause of all causes. So if it is the deluded who despise Lord Krsna, then is it not time for Dr. Radhakrishnan himself to admit that he is guilty of this crime? Let him realize how he has abused the “Lord of all existences,” equating Him with a mere mortal. When we see how such big scholars are inimical toward Lord Krsna, we can conclude, following the Gita, that their intelligence has been stolen by maya.[Renunciation Through Wisdom, Ch4]
“The Mayavadis think that everyone is God; they say, “The demigods are God, I am God, you are God.” Therefore they say one can chant any name and become liberated. In Bengal it is very popular to hold a kali-kirtana. A party of people meet and chant, “Kali! Kali! Kali!” or the names of so many so-called avataras. One rascal added his wife’s name to the chanting, and his foolish followers accepted it. In this way Mayavadi philosophers are leading their followers straight to hell. Caitanya Mahaprabhu has therefore strongly warned against hearing from the Mayavadi philosophers, lest one’s spiritual life be spoiled and the path of devotional service blocked. We should always remember this when there is any question of chanting other names. We should chant the holy name of Visnu, the holy name of Krsna-no one else’s name.” [Second Chance, Ch15]


A mayavadi Krishna Das is being called a devotee by Sacinandana Swami and his followers. What does that tell you about the SNS’s understanding of vaishnava siddhanta? Try not to be the moron that the sweet Hridayananda Goswami describes iskcon members to be and try and think about it. Hariboool!

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