Harinam is for the pleasure or honor of Lord Krishna and not for some king.
What is this nonsense? Who is the iskcon leader in Nepal allowing this?
Harinam is for the pleasure or honor of Lord Krishna and not for some king.
What is this nonsense? Who is the iskcon leader in Nepal allowing this?
Kālā Kṛṣṇadāsa was influenced and allured by nomads or gypsies, who enticed him with women. Māyā is so strong that Kālā Kṛṣṇadāsa left Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s company to join gypsy women. Even though a person may associate with Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, he can be allured by māyā and leave the Lord’s company due to his slight independence. Only one who is overwhelmed by māyā can be so unfortunate as to leave Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s company, yet unless one is very conscientious, the influence of māyā can drag one away, even though he be the personal assistant of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. And what to speak of others? The Bhaṭṭathāris used to increase their numbers by using women to allure outsiders. This is factual evidence showing that it is possible at any time to fall down from the Lord’s association. One need only misuse his little independence. Once fallen and separated from the Supreme Personality of Godhead’s association, one becomes a candidate for suffering in the material world. Although rejected by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, Kālā Kṛṣṇadāsa was given another chance, as the following verses relate. (https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/madhya/10/65)
“I wrote a marriage manual based on my own experience of being married for 36 years and other practical considerations than on shastra” – Mahatma Das, GBC Authorised Diskha guru for iskcon
Where as Srila Prabhupad tells us:
“We quote Vedic evidence to support our statements” CC 1.7.132
Taken from his own webpage www.gkgoffice.com/Biography.aspx , where he openly and clearly promotes mundane welfare given the fact that his own god brother, Jayadvaita Maharaj denounces Food For Life in a seminar in 2001.
Inspired by Srila Prabhupada’s instruction given to his disciples in 1974 that, “no one within ten miles radius of the temple should go hungry. I want you to immediately begin serving food”, ISKCON centers distribute sumptuous Krishna prasadam on daily basis, as also on festivals. Besides, many ISKCON centers such as Mumbai and Delhi, are actively taken up to Mid-day Meal Program of the Government as a medium to distribute Krishna prasadam.
ISKCON, Delhi Mid-day Meal program is at the moment serving a staggering 1,75,000 meals everyday, feeding hungry children of Delhi, Noida, Faridabad and Kurukshetra. Very soon, the adjoining areas and cities would be covered under the scheme. United Nations – World Food Program has appreciated this noble program and has agreed to provide technical assistance. The Government of India also acknowledges these noble efforts and the State Governments all around want to expand this project to other cities of their respective States.
Ironically, he was the one who 40 years ago proposed this and was refused by Prabhupada, nevertheless he went on with this nonsense idea which was rejected by Prabhupada.
SP outlaws government school syllabus in ISKCON
“As soon as possible we should open our own school and teach children KC through English medium, that is one of our programs.
Our school will not be government recognized because we cannot follow the government syllabus. We want to teach only Krishna Consciousness. […]
If we can introduce this system, our girl disciples may be engaged for teaching them: a little English grammar, reading and writing, geography, arithmetic, history, sanskrit,, but all of them should be Krishna Conscious–that is Bhagavata program: kaumaram acarer prajno dharman bhagavatan iha”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 12/4/72)
“So far the school of Sumati Morarji, make the children into Vaisnavas through English medium of learning. We are not going to abide by the government schedule.
They should be taught our books as soon as they can read and write.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 30/7/72)
SP forbids government schools in ISKCON
Gopala Krsna: “I was thinking, Srila Prabhupada, we should get this gurukula accepted by the government also…”
Prabhupada: “No, no, no. Never do that.”
Indian Man: “Is this a government-recognized college now?”
Prabhupada: “No. Government recognition means we have to abide by the orders of government. We cannot teach Bhagavad-gita only or Bhagavata. But our aim is to teach… We have got another school in Dallas for small children. There we are Sanskrit, teaching Sanskrit and English. Yes.”
(Room conversation, 12/9/73)
Prabhupada: Therefore we have to follow the sastra. Then it will be possible. Brahmacari gurukule…”
Indian lady: “Christian has their own government schools everywhere. And we can have our own Krsna consciousness school.”
Prabhupada: “Yes. We are having our own all over the world. We don’t follow the government regulations.” (Conversation, 5/1/77)
Government curriculum is “useless” “We haven’t got to take any help from the government by getting so-called accreditation. If outsiders want to send their children to us, it will not be for their accreditation, but because they will get the best education for relieving them of all anxieties of material life and for this education the government has no idea.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 7/3/72)
Prabhupada: “Government curriculum is useless.” (Conversation, 24/6/77)
Gurudasa: “We would not do anything with the government if they restricted our curriculum…”
Prabhupada: “Yes […] So we are not going to follow the university curriculum, no. We have got our own.”
ISKCON education should not turn into an “ordinary school”
“Now in Mayapur there are two much important programs, namely, first of all, a school must be started in English medium. The children may work in the temple compound for gardening and cleansing, then they shall attend class. If they are given sufficient comfort, they will stay with us and develop nicely. Comfort means no bodily discomfort, and for this Krishna Consciousness education, many Calcutta rich men will send their children. Actually the Bhaktivinode Institute was started for this purpose, but they have turned it into an ordinary school.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 14/4/72)
Prabhupada: No, if you take government help…
Indian lady: But the students go for examination in the board also.
Prabhupada: Examination or no examination, if you, they practice the rules, that is sufficient examination. […]
So if one is rising early in the morning, then what is the examination? That is already examined. If one has to rise early in the morning, attend the mangala arati, sitting in the class and reading Bhagavad-gita, chanting Hare Krsna… These are all practical. There is no need of examination […]
Indian lady: But the parents want certificate.
Prabhupada: Therefore, if you want to satisfy the parents, the government, then it is not possible. You have to satisfy Krsna.
(Room Conversation, 5/1/77)
Not sannyasi business
“It is not sannyasi’s business. For starting a school, the government is there, public is there. Why you are…? That means brahma satyam you could not understand. You are coming to school-starting.”
“Everywhere, the Left eventually turns on its own.”– Krishna Kirti Das
Navayogendra Swami wholeheartedly runs the rascal cheating project called FOOD FOR LIFE, which is apasiddhanta designed to destroy iskcon’s spiritual identity. Read more about how FFL is nonsense here
and he runs a rascal karmi education schools foolishly and deceptively named “Srila Prabhupada International Gurukul”, what rascaldom. Firstly calling it gurukul and putting SP’s name on it and teaching karmi education instead of
here is a detailed account of their own nonsense
“The Gurukul was started in the year 2005 at Udhampur under the name “SRILA PRABHUPADA INTERNATIONAL GURUKUL”, for primary classes. Its management committee was headed by H.H. Navayogendra Swami Ji Maharaj.”
Gurukuls are not specifically meant to educate poor children they are meant to educate brahmana, ksatriya and vaishya children, sudras don’t send their kids to gurukul. ”
But Navayogendra Swami’s website openly states that it’s for poor kids.
“To fulfil the desire of Srila Prabhupada and to alleviate the deteriorating condition of education for poor children in society, Swami Ji started an ambitious project of providing free education along with free boarding and lodging to the poor and needy ones, at Srila Prabhupada Ashram Udhampur. Soon the number of students joining this school increased. Feeling the need of a much better administrative control system, Swami Ji decided to set up a proper management committee and named the institution as SRILA PRABHUPADA INTERNATIONAL GURUKUL (Free boarding school). It is His Holiness strong ambition to make this Institution a role model for the society in providing quality education to the poor and needy ones.”
On his website he partially quotes SP, “They will develop into perfect citizens – moral, honest, hard working, law abiding, clean and faithful to home and Country, like that. That is the unmatched success of our Krishna consciousness schooling system.”
This is a misquote taken from this letter of SP where SP is elucidating upon gurukuls and not opening a karmi school. This rascaldom has been perpatrated by Navayogendra Swami and he has cleverly changed the definition of what a gurukul is. He should have just called it some karmi school not gurukul because it is not, atleast that would have been an honorably deviant, instead of fooling iskcon devotees into thinking that he’s a great guru who runs gurukul, when in fact he fools devotees by running karmi syllabus schools.
Is he speaking strongly against people who are messing up iskcon, or is he quite and interested in being left alone and do his little bhajan in North of India where he makes his sahajiyas?
This is the original letter from SP about gurukul which Navayogendra Swami misquotes.
“December 17, 1971
My dear Satsvarupa,
Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter of December 6, 1971, and I have noted the contents with great pleasure. I am especially pleased that your Gurukula project is going forward nicely. I consider that this is one of our most important projects, because people in general are only suffering due to poor fund of knowledge. So if we have facility to give them the right knowledge of how to make an end to suffering condition of life, then we shall be performing the highest type of welfare work. So you can try on this point to convince rich businessmen, educators, politicians, etc. to help us push forward this gurukula system for guiding their young children on the right path to becoming sober, upright citizens. You can inform them that if they give me proper facilities that I can save all the young people of your country from the worst danger. People are always willing to give anything for educational purpose. They think that if their children get the right knowledge then they will become very successful in life, and that is their concern, so they sacrifice everything for good educational cause. Now their children are all becoming hippies, and they do not want so much technology and knowledge which gives them no real satisfaction, so they are losing all interest in education and only they want to enjoy life, that’s all. But if such children are given practical guidance on the transcendental platform, above the bodily and mental conception of life, then they will develop into perfect citizens—moral, honest, hard-working, law-abiding, clean, faithful to home and country, like that. That is the unmatched success of our Krishna Consciousness schooling system, so you introduce it nicely, so that your country’s leaders will see something very nice and come to our assistance.
That is all right if Mohanananda wants to go to Sydney, provided you GBC men agree and if there is suitable replacement.
Regarding children without spiritual names, whatever name is there, if it is a boy, then add Bhakta first. Or if it is a girl, add Bhaktin before the child’s name. For example, if somebody is named Robert, his new name may be Bhakta Robert. In general, if he is not initiated, a devotee adds Bhakta or Bhaktin, before the other name until they are initiated later.
Your idea for 5 different articles in BTG monthly is very nice. I like your “topical articles” also. Keep them simple and Krishna Conscious, avoiding too much bending to the public taste, but if they are appropriate to current problems, then it is nice proposal. Rayarama tried this too, but his style was not very appealing to me. Actually, people are seeking after transcendental reading matter more and more, so if we stick to our standard, as I have given you, then there is no doubt they will come to read our magazines in great numbers. Now make it very attractive, with our KC subject matter as you have outlined, and our BTG will be very much in demand, without further changes. I have seen one Christian newspaper which is trying to attract the readers by resort to fashionable phrases and materialistic themes of mass public interest—simply because they have not got any real substance for attracting, they offer what they think the public might like, such as sex, crimes, amusements, like that. That is not our method. We have got such stock of real substance that alone it is sufficient to capture the readers, without such ordinary tricks and commercial formulas.
I am very pleased that you are all working so nicely for Krishna in USA, and I shall be very glad to see you all again when I come there by springtime.
I hope this will meet you in good health and enthusiastic mood,
Your ever well-wisher,
Indradyumna Swami gets prasad (we’re hoping it’s cooked by 2nd initiated devotees and properly offered) from a FFL van but he distributed it with kirtan and some books. Finally woke up! I hope he doesn’t go back to his nonsense apasiddhanta called FFL where they just remove the Krishna factor and make it about “food for poor” etc.
We can object to this assumed prasadam being taken out of a FFL car but on the whole he did a much better job then the philosophical deviant gurus who encourage Food For Life or Mid-Day Meals (the Indian version of this rascaldom).
(chanakya neeti scholar) Patita pavana Das’s words were so idiotic/cheating I had to expose him.
He is like an uncle to these ladies and as an elder is sharing some familial affection, something ISKCON needs more of. Shrila Prabhupada mentions that pure males and pure females may celebrate sometimes together
Caturatma Das sinful dance with girls is not as horrible as Patita Pavana Das covering his illicit sex!
This is not allowed in vedic culture
This is not fatherly affection
It’s illicit sex
Fathers don’t touch their daughters bodies after a certain age.
Don’t justify illicit sex using “it’s fatherly” nonsense.
No father dances with his daughter in vedic culture
In indradyumna swami’s culture….that’s something else.
PAGE 4:Hanuman dasa, as far as the video of Chaturatma dasa dancing at kirtan with two ladies, I must add that this staunch devotee’s character is far beyond reproach. He is a householder, married faithfully to the same Mataji for decades. He is like an uncle to these ladies and as an elder is sharing some familial affection, something ISKCON needs more of. Shrila Prabhupada mentions that pure males and pure females may celebrate sometimes together, but this should not be taken wrongly by the small-minded. In ISKCON, due to so many fall-downs, there is an all-encompassing tendency towards suspicion. However, as a friend of Chaturatma, I can assure anyone who is interested in my opinion that he is not that guy. Chaturatmata is actually a rare pandit. He knows the lilas of the associates of Mahaprabhu from beginning to end and speaks on their activities with such memory, devotion and commentary that his talks leave me feeling awe-struck.
So you have requested my response and I have given it. I would add that as a footnote it was HH Indradyumna Swami who hustled your spiritual master HH Shridhara Swami out of Canada when he was going into a hepatitis coma and got him safely to Mayapura. I am a little surprised that a disciple of Shridhar Maharaja could resort to such hearsay. From the lilas of the Mahabhagavatas of described in Shri Chaitanya Charitamrita we learn that he Godbrother and associate of Shri Guru is likewise accorded the same respect. Don’t forget, I was locked in a prison cell for weeks with your Guru Maharaja and know His Holiness well, As a close friend of your Guru Maharaja who stood trial alongside for capital murder in corrupt India I can say that he will look with great disdain upon your couched accusations of his dear sannyasi Godbrother. That also will not benefit your spiritual advancement.
Otherwise, I wish you and your service well, and offer my sincere regards to your wife and family,I do hope that this meets you and yours well,, and I beg to remain,
Yours in the seva of the Vaishnavas,
Patita Pavana dasa