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Destroy feminism in iskcon 

Caitanya Candrodaya Dasa Not actually asuric. Women and sudras are not allowed to study the Vedas or teach the Veda. In fact it was probably because f the similarity to Vedic thinking the Basu Ghosha Prabhu posted the OP. 
Feminism is a cancer. All societies that have empowered women quickly (from a historical perspective) died to be over taken by those that didn’t empower women. But don’t you feminists worry, feminism is here to stay until, that is, it kills the host. Once it sets in it is irreversible ultimately destroying the host society and is replaced by a patriarchy. Examples of such societies are those of Sparta and Rome. For more details see JD Unwin’s “Sex and Culture” 1934, Oxford University press, wherein he studied 35 historical societies and what happened when women were empowered by weak and/or foolish men and then as a result destroyed. 
One common thread is that the women became more or less “career women” like in Sparta where women managed estates while the men waged war to the point that women owned 40% of the land. (Aristotle described Sparta as a “gynocratia.”) But being career women meant they could not do their main role as mother and wife and so the Spartan birth rate fell sharply and they could not resupply their army with enough soldiers such that within 35 years of beating their arch rivals Athens in the Peloponnesian war they were reduced to the status of a 3rd rate power and never recovered after they lost the battle of Leuctra to Thebes in 371 BC. 
Low birth rates is now the curse of all feminist countries (the West) well below replacement level. This will lead to a “demographic winter.” Also note that countries like China and Russia the governments actively repress feminism and promote families. China just reversed its 1 child policy making it now a 2 child policy. And also note that in those countries there are absolutely no female leaders, not one, zilch, sunya. You will not find a Chinese or Russian May, Merkel or Clinton.
In the meantime “the future is female” Hillary Clinton and the West is waging war against men with anti male laws. 60-70 of university students are now females, the marriage laws are all stacked against men so they don’t want to marry. (The laws favor men in China and Muslim countries, not sure about Russia). Since they don’t want to marry men don’t need big jobs to support family, so they don’t need to go to school to get the job. Basically in the West today men are dropping out of society. It is called MGTOW – Men Going Their Own Way (without women). 
This is not new BTW, same thing happened in Rome when Rome was so rich that many women inherited massive wealth and became independent and “empowered.” Divorce was easy and was not favorable for men to invest into since for one they could not be certain if the child of the woman even was his. So men stopped getting married and Augustus had to pass laws forcing men to marry because there was now a shortfall of men joining the Roman army whose might the empire was built on. Rome ended up having to hire mercenaries who after a while thought “why protect these Romans when we can just take it for ourselves.” And that was the end of Rome again as a result of empowering women. The Romans lasted longer than the Spartans but the conclusion was never in doubt.
While the USA which depends on technological innovation to keep the military industrial complex running and thus their hegemony has not only shot themselves in the gonads but now also in the brain. Why? Because under Obama they passed a bill (under Title IX) forcing gender equity in STEM (Science Technology Engineering and Math) programs because it was 80-90 male dominated. So that means many of the most talented males will not be able to get into STEM and instead be replaced by females who really have no interest or aptitude for STEM. And to make it even worse even now only about 10% of under graduates in STEM  in US universities are native Americans the rest are Chinese, Indians and other foreigners. So the US already has a serious shortfall of STEM graduates that will only be made worse by Obama’s feminist inspired stupidity. I think you can see where this is going (like the Roman’s shortfall in troops). Is it any wonder why China has so rapidly gained ground on the West?
Again you pro-feminists don’t worry because once a society goes down the path of feminism there is no turning back and it goes to its logical conclusion. The only question to ponder is what language will your great grand children be speaking? What will be the lingua franca? Chinese, Russian, Arabic or Spanish. I mention Spanish because many latinos have invaded the USA.
The moral of the story is: those who reproduce in larger numbers will in the long run win. That will never be woman empowering feminist countries.
Am I thinking that you will change your mind because of this text? No. You already drank the koolaid. It is irreversible and has to run its course.

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Iskcon Feminists are the Stool of Putana

some dirty liberal said it was not gentlemanly to call some stupid feminist a stupid feminist when she philosophized homosex using SP’s words

Sitalatma Das A gentleman would stand up to defend a lady, though. In public.


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Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari to promote homosex using SP’s book is ok? But if we call her a less than 4th class person we are, “not gentlemanly”. Look at these dual-standard liberal iskcon rascals!

lady should get a husband, behave like a lady, and not come in the middle of men and then speak blasphemies and be expected to be treated like lady. ladies are not less than 4th class who philosophize homosex.
Krishna killed a demoness, He wasn’t a gentleman?
Atleast Putana was not so crooked that she took shelter of misquotes and condemned Krishna for attacking a “lady”. But iskcon-liberal-feminists are the stool of putana. Atleast putana was straight forward. Putana never took the shelter of SP’s/vyasa’s books to condem Krsna’s acts and then sent her agent to make a scene about Krsna not being a gent! STOOL OF PUTANA!
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What lady condones homosex using SP’s words?
And an idiot who fails to mark the difference between a lady and a less than 4th class person is himself less than 4th class. sams stuta purushah pashu
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Prabhupada: They are discussing in the university homosex. They are advanced. Advancement of education. Just see. They are not even fourth-class men; they are animals, producing so many animals, that’s all, dogs and hogs. …in the beginning samah. Samah, damah—first two business. Control the sense and keep the mind undisturbed. That is the beginning. Now they are so much sexually disturbed, they’re discussing about the profit of homosex. Where is first-class men?

Amogha: They say that homosex keeps the balance of things because…

Prabhupada: Yes, fourth-class man can say anything wrong, bad, but we are not going to hear of it. A fourth-class man’s philosophy, we will have to waste our time to hear them—that’s not good. They are not even fourth class; they are animal class. Fourth class has got some position, but they are naradhama, the lowest of the mankind. So what is their philosophy, and who is going to spoil his time to hear about their philosophy? (Morning Walk Conversation with Srila Prabhupada—May 14, 1975, Perth)


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Sitalatma Das Another thing – ISKCON devotees should not use language like “stupid feminists”, it casts a bad light on Srila Prabhupada who wanted us to behave like gentlemen. Such animosity towards others is not among symptoms of a devotee and we should all at least behave like devotees, at least in public.


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Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari but gentlemen also dont criticize other gentlemen in public, please criticize me in private SuperGentleMan Sitalatma Das 
To be critical is also “animosity” and that too in public, so “we should all at least behave like devotees, at least in public.” right?
and that’s how rascal liberal “devotees” are, they have their own rules.
When u catch them then they start misquoting, “let’s behave like gentlemen”. Karna-mentality..Rascal’s wheel is caught in the battlefield and the rascal says, “it’s adharma to kill me now”.


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Stupid Iskcon Feminist Takes Shelter of Man When Called Stupid!

But I thought they are equal to men, why take ask for man’s shelter? Haha, two faced feminist!

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Manikar Das Brahmachari

Manikar Das Brahmachari More of her stupid feminist comments are here on this gay discuss post

All Homosex ppl of iskcon have patted each other in the back on this post.

Have a look https://m.facebook.com/story.php…

Alex A. George-Arjuna Dasa

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So it appears that LGTB has now grown to LGTBQUIA and will probably continue to grow as more and more sexual orientations and gender preference choices increase

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Niscala Devi Dasi First you let your friends call me stupid, then you insist I don’t even know what I wrote yesterday?

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Niscala Devi Dasi Guruttama Das, is it OK with you for your “friends” to be so nasty to me? If not, don’t tag me in ANY discussion, ever. If so, let me know and I will unfriend you. This is not friendly or conducive KC association.

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All in a Line: Feminism, Yamuna Dasi & Krsna Ksetra Swami

Why let this woman lead kirtans in our temples, when Prabhupada was absolutely against feminism?

Strikes me as not odd at all that these 3 things have been posted by Vrinda Setha the dancer who supported FDG. Ironically they appear in consequetive posts.
Showcases the typical philosophical deviation of the members of iskcon in whose view yamuna dasi’s seva was some feminist rise against the evil sannyasi partriarchy.

Basu Ghosh pr(Acbsp) smashes the ‘calling women Prabhu’ theory of Malati and Vishakha Dasis

Letter to a Godsister

BY: BASU GHOSH DAS (ACBSP)
Nov 18, BARODA, INDIA (SUN) —
Subject: It was brought to my attention 

By a godsister…

Home Base: ISKCON-Baroda
Respected Mataji, Namonamaha. Jaya Srila Prabhupada! Received your message:
> Did you read this Basu Ghosh Prabhu?
Well, now I did! 😉 Of course, I’m aware that Malati Mataji is “pushing this line of thinking”. Sadly, she and others, Vishakha, et. al, have “bought into” both “feminism” and “egalitarianism”, which are ideologies.
In fact, at the recently concluded IRGB meeting at Puri, where a paper was presented “refuting” the GBC SAC’s (SAC = “Shastra advisory committee”) paper recommending “female diksha gurus”, during the ensuing discussion, a sannyasi stated that “feminism is due to the abuse of women”.
I responded that “feminism is an ideology” and that “feminism and egalitarianism” are popular ideologies in the West.
Here, from the Wikipedia on ‘Feminism’:
“The term Feminism can be used to describe a political, cultural or economic movement aimed at establishing more rights and legal protection for women. Feminism involves political and sociological theories and philosophies concerned with issues of gender difference, as well as a movement that advocates more gender-specific rights for women and campaigns for women’s rights and interests.[1][2][3][4][5] Although the terms “feminism” and “feminist” did not gain widespread use until the 1970s, they were already being used in the public parlance much earlier; for instance, Katherine Hepburn speaks of the “feminist movement” in the 1942 film Woman of the Year.”
and, from the Wikipedia on ‘Egalitarianism’:
“Egalitarianism (derived from the French word égal, meaning “equal”), has two distinct definitions in modern English.[1] It is defined either as a political doctrine that holds that all people should be treated as equals and have the same political, economic, social, and civil rights[2] or as a social philosophy advocating the removal of economic inequalities among people.”
The “Vedic” concept is different from both of these ideologies. The Vedic concept is that everyone has a “svadharma”, “his/her own duties”, and those duties are divided according to the concept of “varna”, or “caste” (which has become a pejorative term) or “category” and “ashrama”, or “stage of life”.
“Stridharma”, the duties of women, are defined separately from the above, in “their own category”.
What is the basis of these divisions? The Vedas themselves, the “purusha sukta” and other places, mention the “varnas” and “ashramas”. In the Gita, as we both know, Lord Krishna says that he divided the society into “varnas” and “ashramas”.
A more detailed study of duty, “dharma”, is made in the “dharma shastras” like the Manu Samhita/Smriti. Srila Prabhupada called the “dharma shastras” “the lawbooks for humanity”.
Srila Prabhupada wanted his Western disciples to reside for extended periods here in India to “learn Vedic/Vaishnava/Indian culture”. Part of that learning is that there is “gender distinction” in daily dealings. This “gender distinction” is “innate” in all Indian languages, beginning with the “mother of all languages”, Samskritam, where words (nouns) are (“declined” into) masculine, feminine and neuter.
Here, from the Wikipedia on ‘Grammatical Gender’:
“Many languages place each noun into one of three gender classes (or simply “genders”): Masculine gender includes most words that refer to males; Feminine gender includes most words that refer to females; Neuter gender includes mostly words that do not refer to males or females”
Sadly, Malati Mataji is ignoring both the teachings of the Vedas and the Gita, and the simple grammar lesson herein above. That doesn’t mean that I disrespect her as a person. But what I understand is that she’s misleading herself and those in her wider audience.
She’s basing her arguments on two points. One, there are some letters that were signed by Srila Prabhupada wherein women are addressed as “prabhu”, and two, Prabhupada may (or may not) have addressed some of his early women disciples as “prabhu”.
I’m not saying that both aren’t possibly true. The explanation however is simple enough. One, in the “very beginning” of Srila Prabhupada’s preaching in the West, he may very well have addressed some female disciples as “prabhu”.
He knew that in the English language, the nouns themselves are not “declined” according to gender – meaning they don’t have suffixes (like in Samskritam) that categorize the nouns themselves as either “masculine, feminine or neuter”. Therefore, it may have been that to make things simpler for the “American youth” (at the time), who were speaking a language without “declined nouns”, he chose to address both males and females as “prabhu”.
Later on, he obviously changed! There are innumerable references where Srila Prabhupada instructs his disciples to address women as “mother”, i.e. “mata”, “mataji” (Hindi/Bengali).
Malati Mataji’s attempt is basically one that wishes to change the (Samskrita) language itself!
“Samskritam” can be translated as “culture”, and the Samskrita language and literatures do much to preserve the ancient Vedic culture that Srila Prabhupada desired to propagate.
Rather than attempting to change the meanings of Samskrita words, and thus falling into/adopting “a feministic/egalitarian agenda”, we should all — Malati Mataji included — try to learn Vedic culture and imbibe it.
Vedic culture is prevalent here in India in many ways, as we all know: food, dress, daily habits of early rising and cleanliness, spiritual sadhana, Deity worship, fire sacrifices, dealings with ones relatives (parents, brothers, cousins — as seen in the words used in the Gita) etc., etc., etc.
Srila Prabhupada spent most of his time, and money, highlighting India to his disciples. The Mayapur, Vrindavan and Juhu projects, and the amount of time, energy and money Prabhupada spent in his last days promoting these projects are the strongest testimony there is to this!
Malati Mataji’s efforts seem to be born of the desire to see ISKCON “go the way” of “Eckankar”. [www.eckankar.org], where the “omkaar” has been forgotten, and the “spiritual leader” is “Harold Klemp”, in “suit and tie”!
“Eckankar” forgot their “Punjabi Sikh” “roots” [to a great extent] (“ek omkaar” = “one om”) and “morphed” into a “totally Western” “outfit”. [The Punjabi word “sikh” itself is a mispronunciation of the samskrita “shishya” and so “guru shishya”, “teacher and disciple”, became “gursikh” in Punjab! In fact, the “Samskrita” (and hence “Vedic”) roots of even the Muslim society of the “Pathaans” (of Afghanistan & Pakistan) are on display in the word “pakhtoonwali” [“code of the pashtuns/pathaans”] (“vaalaha” is the Samskritam of “waala”, or “one who possesses something”, i.e. “rickshawaala”, “one who has a ricksaw”, etc.)] And so it goes.
Srila Prabhupada wanted “cultural change & revolution”! Food, dress, nomenclature, religious belief, daily habits, etc. — all of them, he had his disciples change!
One day we will all wake up and realize that our language ought to change as well! Like Israel, where they adopted the ancient language of the Bible as the “national language”, Vaishnavas should adopt the “language of Vedic literatures”, the “language of the Goswamis”, the “language of the acharyas”, Samskritam!
The statement “na mlecchati vai”, in Patanjali’s “Mahaabhaashya” commentary on Panini’s “ashtaadhyaayi” (eight chapters describing Samskrita grammar, seen as the “definitive description” of the grammar of Samskritam) means “one should not mispronounce”,
Samskrita words! “mleccha” means “inncorrect” and Samskritam, the “fully phonetic” “language of the cities of the devatas/demigods” (“devanaagari”) stresses “ucchaaranam”, (“pronunciation”, the title of a book which HH) Lokanath Swami just published, to help Western devotees who grew up speaking “unphonetic” languages!
Sorry for the length of this message. I hope this helps to clear up the sad misconceptions regarding the Samskrita (masculine) word “prabhu” that are being propagated mistakenly.
Hope this meets you well.
das,
Basu Ghosh das

Temple President Basu Ghosh pr. ACBSP EXPOSES Urmila Dasi’s cheating

Temple President Basu Ghosh pr. ACBSP speaks against Urmila Dasi’s cheating here

Jayamadhava Pr. ACBSP speaks Against Urmila Dasi(Iskcon Guru Candidate)

her own godbrothers condemn her. Jayamadhava Pr. ACBSP speaks Against Urmila Dasi(Iskcon Guru Candidate)
She divorced her husband in 1996. Prabhupada called this unchaste. Pls dont listen to this woman’s contaminated lectures.

The divorce act is encouraging prostitution, and this should be abolished. (SB 1.17.38) In Vedic civilization the husband and wife were not separated by such man-made laws as divorce. We should understand the necessity for maintaining family life in human society and should thus abolish this artificial law known as divorce. (SB 4.23.25)…there is no such thing as divorce in the Vedic literature. A wife is always trained to be chaste and faithful to her husband, for this helps her achieve deliverance from any abominable material condition (SB 9.20.22)

Generally, separation between husband and wife is due to womanly behavior; divorce takes place due to womanly weakness. The best course for a woman is to abide by the orders of her husband. That makes family life very peaceful. Sometimes there may be misunderstandings between husband and wife…but a wife should not leave her husband’s protection because of such misunderstanding. If she does so, it is understood to be due to her womanly weakness. (SB 4.4.3)

What is this nonsense, divorce? There is no such thing in the Vedic civilization, divorce. You must accept whatever God has given you as husband or wife, you must. They had no thinking even, idea of divorce. One may not agree with the husband.. That is natural. Sometimes we do not agree. But there is no question of divorce. (Room Conversation, Baltimore , 7-7-76)

 

In the modern day, the wife is never submissive, and therefore homelife is broken even by slight incidents. Either the wife or the husband may take advantage of the divorce laws. According to the Vedic law, however, there is no such thing as divorce laws, and a woman must be trained to be submissive to the will of her husband. Westerners contend that this is a slave mentality for the wife, but actually it is not; it is the tactic by which a woman can conquer the heart of her husband, however irritable or cruel he may be. (SB 9.3.10)

Krsna explained the duty of a woman. He also stressed the point of serving the husband: “Even if he is not of very good character, or even if he is not very rich or fortunate, or even if he is old or invalid on account of continued diseases, whatever the husband’s condition, a woman should not divorce her husband if she actually desires to be elevated to the higher planetary systems after leaving this body.” (Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead , Ch. 29)

 

Stupid characterless western yavana woman(Rachel Ward) gets smashed by a strong devotee (Philip Davies) quoting Prabhupada’s words.

The discussion was on whether devotee girls should have fashion shows or not. Phillip was against the notion.

Rachel Ward • 7 days ago
What a great way to bring the devotional culture from the temples into the mainstream. People ask me all the time where they can get skirts like mine. It’s nice to tell them, and then devotee families benefit financially. It’s also nice that my children aren’t limited to the same tired old saris and gopi skirts. They have devotional clothing that fits their fashion sense. Win.
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Phillip Davies Rachel Ward • 6 days ago
fashion sense = vanity is, in a simple way, it is to fulfill material enjoyment. I understand that young devotees will like to experiment with their clothes, My original comment was because of the pictures in the article which did not feature children.
Pradyumna Das

Rachel Ward Phillip Davies • 4 days ago
Respectfully, all of the pictures in the article feature someone’s children. They have grown up in the movement and developed their own style. The next generation won’t be like the last. We can allow the sastra to remain unchanged, but the movement will die if the next generation is not enlivened and more people are not attracted.
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Phillip Davies Rachel Ward • 4 days ago
the people in the particular picture I have in mind are not children they may have been born into a family of devotees (very fortunate) , It does not change the fact that, The mind is the distraction, it dwells upon the sense objects, the nice clothes, how someone else percieves them. it is a difficult process if one makes it so by allowing these simple pleasures to creep in, But Lord Krishna assure Arjuna ” asam svayam maha baho…” gita, it is possible to control the restless mind with suitable practice and detachment”” . we can not dilute the process it is what it is. we can make it hard for ourselves, or relatively easy (relatively speaking, every day be fixed)
Pradyumna Das
Phillip Davies • 7 days ago
I cant help but think this is, very much in the Bodily concept, the I am this body idea, that we are supposed to be trying to get beyond. we dress the deity to the best of our ability, we dress ourselves modestly to help us get beyond the bodily concept. Haribol, pradyumna das
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Rachel Ward Phillip Davies • 7 days ago
Our bodies require clothing. It may as well be clothing that we like. The clothing that these devotees design is modest and it is designed like traditional devotional clothing. The colors and patterns are modern.

Phillip Davies Rachel Ward • 6 days ago
some of the pictures, were not very modest, clothing that we like is a distraction, clothing is to cover ones nakedness, like or dislike is irrelevant it is sense gratification.
Pradyumna das
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Rachel Ward Phillip Davies • 6 days ago
Hmmm. Are you saying that you don’t have a favorite color? You don’t choose your clothing or your household items in colors that please you? What about your japa bag? Do you like the color? Is it plain or does it have decoration? Many devotees choose decorated japa bags to attract them to them. Is that not the point? We become attracted by material things and we develop the taste for the nectar over time.

Phillip Davies Rachel Ward • 4 days ago
attraction to the material, is a distraction, decoration of the body is a distraction, the body and its (pseudo) pleasure is a distraction. We try to be devotees, we live in a Karmi world, we do our best not to be part of it, we eat simple food wear simple clothes. BUT, if something that you do fixes your mind upon Krishna then do it, never forget Krishna, always remember Krishna.
YS, Pradyumna Das