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Gopala Krishna Goswami Exposed (No Speculation!)

GKG Supports Mundane Welfare (feeding poor kids)

Taken from his own webpage www.gkgoffice.com/Biography.aspx ,  where he openly and clearly promotes mundane welfare given the fact that his own god brother, Jayadvaita Maharaj denounces Food For Life in a seminar in 2001.

Inspired by Srila Prabhupada’s instruction given to his disciples in 1974 that, “no one within ten miles radius of the temple should go hungry. I want you to immediately begin serving food”, ISKCON centers distribute sumptuous Krishna prasadam on daily basis, as also on festivals. Besides, many ISKCON centers such as Mumbai and Delhi, are actively taken up to Mid-day Meal Program of the Government as a medium to distribute Krishna prasadam.

ISKCON, Delhi Mid-day Meal program is at the moment serving a staggering 1,75,000 meals everyday, feeding hungry children of Delhi, Noida, Faridabad and Kurukshetra. Very soon, the adjoining areas and cities would be covered under the scheme. United Nations – World Food Program has appreciated this noble program and has agreed to provide technical assistance. The Government of India also acknowledges these noble efforts and the State Governments all around want to expand this project to other cities of their respective States.

Glorifying Mundane Welfare

http://www.iskconmumbai.com/hot-meals-for-150000-underprivilaged-on-makar-sankranti/#more-7953

GKG Started a Karmi Syllabus School

http://www.newbgis.org/aboutus.php

Ironically, he was the one who 40 years ago proposed this and was refused by Prabhupada, nevertheless he went on with this nonsense idea which was rejected by Prabhupada.

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SP outlaws government school syllabus in ISKCON

“As soon as possible we should open our own school and teach children KC through English medium, that is one of our programs.
Our school will not be government recognized because we cannot follow the government syllabus. We want to teach only Krishna Consciousness. […]
If we can introduce this system, our girl disciples may be engaged for teaching them: a little English grammar, reading and writing, geography, arithmetic, history, sanskrit,, but all of them should be Krishna Conscious–that is Bhagavata program: kaumaram acarer prajno dharman bhagavatan iha”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 12/4/72)

“So far the school of Sumati Morarji, make the children into Vaisnavas through English medium of learning. We are not going to abide by the government schedule.
They should be taught our books as soon as they can read and write.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 30/7/72)

SP forbids government schools in ISKCON

Gopala Krsna: “I was thinking, Srila Prabhupada, we should get this gurukula accepted by the government also…”
Prabhupada: “No, no, no. Never do that.”
(Conversation, 25/10/72)

Indian Man: “Is this a government-recognized college now?”
Prabhupada: “No. Government recognition means we have to abide by the orders of government. We cannot teach Bhagavad-gita only or Bhagavata. But our aim is to teach… We have got another school in Dallas for small children. There we are Sanskrit, teaching Sanskrit and English. Yes.”
(Room conversation, 12/9/73)

Prabhupada: Therefore we have to follow the sastra. Then it will be possible. Brahmacari gurukule…”
Indian lady: “Christian has their own government schools everywhere. And we can have our own Krsna consciousness school.”
Prabhupada: “Yes. We are having our own all over the world. We don’t follow the government regulations.” (Conversation, 5/1/77)
Government curriculum is “useless” “We haven’t got to take any help from the government by getting so-called accreditation. If outsiders want to send their children to us, it will not be for their accreditation, but because they will get the best education for relieving them of all anxieties of material life and for this education the government has no idea.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 7/3/72)

Prabhupada: “Government curriculum is useless.” (Conversation, 24/6/77)
Gurudasa: “We would not do anything with the government if they restricted our curriculum…”
Prabhupada: “Yes […] So we are not going to follow the university curriculum, no. We have got our own.”
(Conversation, 25/10/72)
ISKCON education should not turn into an “ordinary school”
“Now in Mayapur there are two much important programs, namely, first of all, a school must be started in English medium. The children may work in the temple compound for gardening and cleansing, then they shall attend class. If they are given sufficient comfort, they will stay with us and develop nicely. Comfort means no bodily discomfort, and for this Krishna Consciousness education, many Calcutta rich men will send their children. Actually the Bhaktivinode Institute was started for this purpose, but they have turned it into an ordinary school.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 14/4/72)
Prabhupada: No, if you take government help…
Indian lady: But the students go for examination in the board also.
Prabhupada: Examination or no examination, if you, they practice the rules, that is sufficient examination. […]
So if one is rising early in the morning, then what is the examination? That is already examined. If one has to rise early in the morning, attend the mangala arati, sitting in the class and reading Bhagavad-gita, chanting Hare Krsna… These are all practical. There is no need of examination […]
Indian lady: But the parents want certificate.
Prabhupada: Therefore, if you want to satisfy the parents, the government, then it is not possible. You have to satisfy Krsna.
(Room Conversation, 5/1/77)
Not sannyasi business

Prabhupada:

“It is not sannyasi’s business. For starting a school, the government is there, public is there. Why you are…? That means brahma satyam you could not understand. You are coming to school-starting.”
(Conversation, 11/7/73)

FFL Sentimentalist at ChristChurch(NZ) Smashed

Manikar Das Brahmachari “feel strongly” i have no feeling against FFL nor for FFL. i only repeat what SP said about mundane welfare passing off as vaishnavism. which is FFL.read all the FFL arguments here. FFL was destroyed and defeated by devotees on this article where your BIG LEADER Priyavrata Das came out chest thumping and was totally silenced. www.dandavats.com/?p=9969
why aer you ppl not giving up ur sentiments, i dont know. and u are supposed to be grown men and women…the prasadam distribution projects which are presented as “feed the poor”, which are not accompanied by chanting the holy name and are obviously meant for easy funds collection. The worst of all is that such a presentation of our movement in public would put us down on mundane welfare platform, which is obviously something that Srila Prabhupada did not want, as quoted in SSR chapter. Altruism: Temporary and Eternal. Obviously that Srila Prabhupada new the “opportunity” to get good name for the society, support from “many important men”, but he flatly refuse. Why? It is clear that he did not want to present his movement as another mundane welfare society. Technically called “karma”. He did not want to mix karma into pure bhakti, for this is the ideal jïäna-karmädy-anävåtam.

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Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari Give ref. in vedabase or a SP disciple book where the allgedly correct past-time you quote ‘SP saw poor kids fighting over scraps of food’ etc is mentioned. show me the exact place where that past time is mentioned. 
it is just a myth cooked by most probably Mukunda Goswami who destroyed SP’s mission by introducing FFL, the ONLY prasadam nonsense
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Food For Life Christchurch-official
Food For Life Christchurch-official Humbly except my obeisances, I am sorry you feel so strongly about this Manikar Das Brahmachari. But I still do not see how giving out Prasadam (under what ever name) could be considered nonsense. As for H.H Mukunda Goswami, I have no right to comment on such an advanced Spiritual Master and can only think that even Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu had his critics, and he was an incarnation of Lord Krishna himself. 
The one main instruction I do believe,handed down to Srila Prabhupada from his Spiritual Master and in turn passed down to his own Deciples,was to give Krishna Consciousness to all the fallen souls in this age of Kali,was it not?
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Manikar Das Brahmachari

Manikar Das Brahmachari it makes our movement look like a mundane social welfare organzation, and the mood of SP get corruptedpls hear details on this in 5 lectures given by Jayadvaita swami

links are here in this
https://vediciskcon.wordpress.com/…/food-for-life…/

Manikar Das Brahmachari sure feed the people in a 10 mil rad. but does this give u the license to do the prasadam distribution without kirtan/katha? have a kirtan and distribute prasadam as you proceed through the city, what is the harm?

Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari Give ref. in vedabase or a SP disciple book where the allgedly correct past-time you quote ‘SP saw poor kids fighting over scraps of food’ etc is mentioned. show me the exact place where that past time is mentioned. 
it is just a myth cooked by most probably Mukunda Goswami who destroyed SP’s mission by introducing FFL, the ONLY prasadam nonsense
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Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari I hope that u really are not the regular nonsense ONLY prasadam distribution-project that goes under the title FFL. I hope u are not lying. Food For Life Christchurch-official I hope u do kirtan all the time and along with every kirtan run u distribute prasadam
when your tag line is “Serving Karma-free Meals” that does not say it is Krsna prasadam.
So i hope this is not a cheating attempt here by you
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Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari i did not say anything i just repeated Jadadvaita Swami’s words and Basu Ghosh DAs’ wordsBasu Ghosh Prabhu https://youtu.be/SAEwzsBWVn4
Jayadvaita Maharaj said, “To clarify: I don’t doubt that what Vaiyasaki Prabhu wrote is true. That is, I assume he has accurately conveyed what Priyavrata Prabhu told him.
I also find it understandable that Priyavrata Prabhu may have gotten the impression that I was backing off from what I had said in my “Food for Death” course. When I met him, I was not in a mood to be confrontational, I expressed some appreciation for his personal endeavors to share Krsna consciousness with a niche market of vegans and vegetarian activists, and I offered that in the future I wouldn’t use the title “Food for Death.”
That said: I stand behind the contents of my “Food for Death” course one hundred percent.
I believe that Srila Prabhupada’s teachings about mundane welfare work, “poor feeding,” and so on are clear, strong, and consistent and that the course represents them accurately.
For that matter, I believe that advocates of “Food for Life” often pull his words out of context in order to justify ways of prasadam distribution His Divine Grace would disapprove of and in fact, when present, did disapprove of.
And I believe that much (perhaps even most) of what goes on under the banner of “Food for Life” runs directly against what Srila Prabhupada instructed.
Were I to give the course today, I would if anything speak even more strongly. Since I last gave the course, additional evidence from Srila Prabhupada has come my way that I would certainly offer.
(Do you know, for example, why the building built for public prasadam distribution near the roadside in Mayapur was outfitted with turnstiles? I always thought it was to prevent crowds from rushing in. No, says Madhusevita Prabhu. It was because Srila Prabhupada ordered that people should be checked on the way out to make sure they didn’t bring any prasadam out with them. “They will mix it with their fish,” Srila Prabhupada said, “and then it will be aparadha.” Madhusevita Prabhu, a brahmacari in Mayapur at the time, was among those given the responsibility to do the checking.)
I would also cite newer examples of how ISKCON distributes prasadam in ways exactly contrary to Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. (The flagship temple in one country I visit drops the food off at schools and orphanages, to be distributed however the staff they drop it with see fit. No kirtana, no preaching. Just dump the prasadam and go.)
My revered spiritual master was bold, strong, and uncompromising in his teachings, and to see his Society leave behind that spirit of uncompromising boldness and abandon or distort those teachings for the sake of collecting money and winning public acclaim saddens me.
Vaiyasaki Prabhu’s text signals to me that my words to Priyavrata Prabhu about “Food for Life” seem to have been misunderstood. Accordingly, with apologies to Priyavrata Prabhu, I withdraw my offer to hold back from using the title “Food for Death.” I think the title is right on, and I fully stand behind both the title and the course.”

 

Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari Prabhupada regarded Food For Life as nonsense. Please stop this project and do kirtan and distribute prasadam along with kirtan and not without! 
Read more here
https://www.facebook.com/manikardas.brahmachari/posts/264879060538584
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Food For Life Christchurch-official
Food For Life Christchurch-official Hare Krishna Manikar Das Brahmachari. Thank you for the thoughtful comments. But Prabhupada instructed his deciples to distribute Prasadam,did he not? After seeing some village children fighting over food scraps with dogs. After witnessing this,did he not say that no one in a ten mile radius of an Iskcon Temple shall go hungry? Please correct me if that is wrong. And did he not,also show by example, the great quality of tolerance. Why would you feel so compelled to give such a negitive public statement regarding the distribution of Prasadam? We are all servants of the servant of the servant, and there were a small core group of Devotee’s who gave their time and energy (for love and not money) To serve nutritious vegetarian Prasadam to fellow fallen souls in the age of Kali. So please tell me how this could considered nonsense? And as for serving Prasadam without Kirtan, you need (in the case of Food For Life Christchurch) do a little more research, for we also included Kirtan as well as distribution of Prasadam and on two of these occasions, were blessed to have H.H Janananda Swami lead these Kirtans. So once again, thank you for the comment. Hare Krishna.
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Elena Bushnell
Elena Bushnell As well as distribution of Srila Prabhupadas books would go on regularly and questions – answers about our philosophy because many people were sincerely interested
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Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari INTERESTING…So you say that you “do accompany kirtan with prasadam distribution”.
But why don’t you simply call it “prasadam for life” program.
Why would you pick this name, FFL, which the all iskcon knows indicated ONLY PRASADAM and no kirtan.

That is what FFL means.
So may you u are trying to cheat us all by including 1 or 2 kirtans per year along with your ONLY prasadam distribution runs.
If you are so VERY sincere just drop the name FFL.
So before you ask me to do my homework pls do your own and study what FFL in general stands for.
It is like wearing Sankara’s talik and doing KC preaching. the insignia denotes a mayavadi. just like the project title FFL denotes ONLY PRASADAM
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Iskcon Mission Drift Explained by Krishna Kirti Pr.

OCTOBER 30, 2011

By His Grace Krishna Kirti Das

28 October 2011

In 2001, Sripad Jayadavaita Swami gave a lecture series titled Food for
Death
, which is still available on his website at
http://www.jswami.info/seminars#food and which examined how prasadam
distribution seen by the public as ordinary welfare work affects ISKCONs
core values. Sripad Bhakti Vikasa Swami in his 2011 lectures titled Some
Concerns About ISKCON and Further Discussion on Concerns About ISKCON
addresses the same issue Jayadvaita Swami addressed but in a more
generalized context that includes other welfare initiatives.[1] Bhakti
Vikasa Maharaja in his lectures also addresses what he identifies as
fundamental, philosophical differences that have emerged within our society.

As far as social welfare is concerned, the lectures of both Swamis make a
common point: the time and resources devotees increasingly give to indirect
preaching in the form of welfare work, at the expense of direct preaching,
reflects ISKCONs growing acceptance of karma-kanda as a part of its core
mission and, hence, core values.

That as grand a spiritual institution as ISKCON could itself become mundane
is not a new idea. In the Bhagavad-gita at the beginning of the 4th chapter,
Krishna describes the system of the guru-parampara and how, in the course of
time, the succession had been broken and the knowledge of the science of
yoga was lost. On some occasions, Srila Prabhupada himself said that ISKCON
could be destroyed not by outsiders but by insiders. Such changes are the
result of a gradual drift of the disciplic succession away from its original
message and mission.

Mission drift usually does not occur suddenly, like some natural disaster.
It almost always happens over long stretches of time, over generations. The
manner in which it is likely to occur is suggested by Srila Narada Muni in
his conversation with Srila Vyasadeva about the reason for Vyasas
despondency. Narada Muni says,

Whatever you desire to describe that is separate in vision from the Lord
simply reacts, with different forms, names and results, to agitate the mind
as the wind agitates a boat which has no resting place. The people in
general are naturally inclined to enjoy, and you have encouraged them in
that way in the name of religion. This is verily condemned and is quite
unreasonable. Because they are guided under your instructions, they will
accept such activities in the name of religion and will hardly care for
prohibitions (SB 1.5.14  15).

With regard to mission drift, Naradas statement is relevant in these two
respects:

Describing reality without connection to the vision of the Lord agitates
peoples minds.

Where Krishna is not directly and sufficiently glorified, conditioned human
nature all but guarantees a perverse outcome.

The first attribute would correspond to an absence of direct reference to
Krishna in any stated purpose or description of the activity itself. For
example, in the Gita itself Lord Krishna criticizes the pretentious
followers of the Vedas known as veda-vada-ratah, who take the various
rituals and sacrifices offered in the Vedas as ends to worldly enjoyment.
They perform religious acts that are disconnected from krishna-bhakti,
because, as Narada suggests, the connection between the acts and the Lord
are not obvious.

It may be said that indirect worship of the Lord can be performed with the
expectation of making spiritual progress as long as the performer himself
remembers the true connection. But the second attribute in Naradas
statement explains why that almost never happens. Because people in general
are inclined to material enjoyment (especially in Kali Yuga), their perverse
nature predisposes them to forget the original purpose of such indirect
worship of the Lord and give up the regulative principles that must also be
followed in the course of its performance.

A view of the world separate in vision from the Lord need not be totally
separate to cause people to gradually become disinterested in religion. The
disjuncture may be partial. Vyasadevas former works that left him
dissatisfied were not devoid of krishna-katha. The Mahabharata, after all,
features Krishna and the Bhagavad-gita itself. So how could it lead to
dissatisfaction? As stated by Narada, Vyasa gave too much emphasis to pious
activities and not enough to bhakti. Although, great sage, you have very
broadly described the four principles beginning with religious performances,
you have not described the glories of the Supreme Personality, Vasudeva (SB
1.5.9). Vyasadeva was trying to gradually purify people by dovetailing their
propensity for enjoyment into religious activity. Yet that did not have the
effect Vyasa intended. As stated in the purport to this verse,

The prompt diagnosis of Sri Narada is at once declared. The root cause of
the despondency of Vyasadeva was his deliberate avoidance of glorifying the
Lord in his various editions of the Puranas. He has certainly, as a matter
of course, given descriptions of the glories of the Lord (Sri Krsna) but not
as many as given to religiosity, economic development, sense gratification
and salvation.

Again, symptoms that ones spiritual program has the same problem identified
by Narada include emphasis of its alleged material benefits while speaking
minimally about its spiritual benefits. It is like basing a large-scale
preaching program on telling people that Krishnas holy names recharges
your batteries, gives you peace of mind, while hardly speaking about their
true spiritual benefit.

Although the above criticism of spiritual activity devoid of proper
understanding is put forward by Shri Narada himself, one may still question
whether proper understanding is even necessary. For example, saying Hare
Krishna in a mocking or derisive way to taunt devotees will nevertheless
purify the person who utters Krishnas name in this way. This is an example
of ajnata-sukrti. Valmiki Muni is the quintessential example of how
transcendental activity performed unintentionally nevertheless has the same
transcendental effect as if it were performed intentionally. This is also
Sukadeva Goswamis point in narrating the Ajamila moksha-lila. Like
medicine, the potency of Lords holy name does not depend on the
understanding of the person who hears or utters it. The same can be said of
Krishna prasadam.

So then it may be asked what harm is there in clandestinely distributing
Krishna prasadam to the masses, as if one were conducting yet another
mundane welfare program popular among the karmis? The expected outcome is
that the karmis give us their money and good will, we give them prasadam,
they get purified, and we expand the Krishna consciousness movement. It
sounds like a win-win-win-win situation. What could possibly go wrong with
it?

The key assumption made here is that devotees will maintain a level of
purity sufficient to keep themselves from falling into materialistic
consciousness while engaging in activity that purposefully avoids
krishna-katha. The time one spends extolling the perceived material benefits
of prasadam (which you call food now, not prasadam) is time spent NOT
glorifying Krishna. One is not engaging in krishna-katha while one is trying
to avoid describing Krishna. Distributing prasadam while not presenting it
in relation to Krishna has the same kind of problem Narada pointed out to
Vyasa. Although it is prasadam that is being distributed, it is not
presented in relation to the Lord. For this reason the devotees will not be
able to maintain for long the requisite level of purity required of such a
clandestine effort to distribute prasadam to be successful. This is why
Srila Prabhupada insisted that prasadam distribution be accompanied by
kirtana.

It may be further objected that although some people are too neophyte to
engage in any service other than direct hearing and chanting of the Lords
names and pastimes, the devotees distributing prasadam in the guise of
worldly food relief are strong enough in their own devotional service such
that they will not fall down. This is not true. As Srila Prabhupada explains
in the Nectar of Instruction (Text 5),

QUOTE

The Krsna consciousness movement prescribes sixteen rounds daily because
people in the Western countries cannot concentrate for long periods while
chanting on beads. Therefore the minimum number of rounds is prescribed.
However, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati used to say that unless one chants
at least sixty-four rounds of japa (one hundred thousand names), he is
considered fallen (patita). According to his calculation, practically every
one of us is fallen, but because we are trying to serve the Supreme Lord
with all seriousness and without duplicity, we can expect the mercy of Lord
Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, who is famous as patita-pavana, the deliverer of
the fallen.

END QUOTE

If already it is admitted that 16 rounds of japa plus the 4 regulative
principles are still deficient in terms of quantity of sravanam and
kirtanam, and if, according to Srila Prabhupadas assessment above,
quotidian devotional service makes up for that deficiency, then a preaching
program deficient in sravanam and kirtanam means that the devotees will not
get sufficient spiritual support from their daily activities. They will lose
their taste for spiritual life in the way that Narada describes to Vyasa.

In his lecture, Bhakti Vikasa Swami reminisces about how in the 1980s
devotees started selling non-devotional paintings and other paraphernalia to
accumulate money. This money would then be spent for preaching purposes. The
collection program and the direct preaching program were separate.

The result? Devotees lost their taste for spiritual life, and the program
proved unsustainable. As Maharaja points out, the best-selling paintings
were pictures of dogs. They were selling pictures of Dog, not God. It is
not that the money was not being used for preaching purposes. It was. Yet in
the end the program proved unsustainable.

We also find in Srila Prabhupadas letters similar, cautionary reminders to
his disciples that selling incense is not their primary business. Attention
diverted to incense business is not a very good sign. We should give all our
energy for distributing BTG (Letter to Satsvarupa 21/6/1971). ISKCON has
first-hand experience with the dissatisfying nature of activity in which
sankirtana is at best a secondary objective.

What makes something a secondary objective as opposed to a primary
objective? Consider the Sunday Feast. Contrary to what the name implies, the
primary objective of the Sunday Feast is not to give people prasadam. The
primary objective is to give people a chance to hear krishna-katha. The
secondary objective is to give people prasadam. Of course, prasadam is a
necessary part of the program, as prasadam is directly the Supreme
Personality of Godhead, Lord Krishna, Himself. It is His mercy. Yet
distributing prasadam is not the primary objective. We use it as an
incentive to get people to come to our centers to hear our lectures. The
emphasis of our program and hence its primary objective is on the
propagation of krishna-katha. It is more important than any other aspect of
our mission.

Bhakti Vikasa Maharaja in his lecture notes not only the lack of
krishna-katha in the Mid Day Meals program but also that it is advertised as
having mundane, not spiritual, objectives.

The advertising for the Mid Day Meals program, if you see their brochures
is that were helping to build the nation, and that appeals to people.
Were helping to build the nation by getting the children educated, giving
them a good future. But thats against our philosophy. The idea of building
the nation is totally mundane.

Maharaja further notes how in India the India Regional Governing Body had
dealt with the question of what may be considered appropriate and
inappropriate in distributing prasadam, and one of the requirements they
came up with was that it must at least be accompanied by kirtana and
lectures. Yet the lack of devotees available to conduct kirtana and the
secular Indian government interfere with this requirement.

The first problem, which Jaydvaita Maharaja also mentions in his own
lectures, is that in the places where the Mid Day Meals program is conducted
on a substantial scale, there is nowhere near enough devotees that can
perform kirtana at each of the places where prasadam is distributed. Kirtana
performers cannot be hired like bus drivers. So the prasadam gets cooked and
dropped off at the schools and presented as if it were any other mundane
meal.

Bhakti Vikasa Maharaja raises the question of whether Krishna is
reciprocating in a way devotees running Mid Day Meals havent anticipated.
What might happen if, for example, instead of our pujaris worshipping the
Deities in the temple we hire non-devotee brahmanas to worship Them?
Maharaja asks, Is it prasada? If a murti of Krishna is handled
negligently, is Krishna still obliged to remain there as murti? Some of the
same considerations seem applicable in the case of prasadam.

The second problem has to do with the secular Indian government, or secular
governments wherever they exist. But in India in particular, in some places
the government will not allow kirtana and lectures because whatever is given
to the children or poor through the government must be strictly food relief.
Religious elements are not always allowed. And for that reason kirtana and
lecture would also not allowed.

And because devotees have collected extensively for these programs, it is
nearly impossible to withdraw from places that disallow kirtana. Bhakti
Vikasa Maharaja in his lecture gives the example of the day school on the
ISKCON Juhu property, where, after some time, the devotees there saw how the
school itself was taking up time and resources for no spiritual end, and it
was not producing devotees anyway. But when they tried to close down the
school, the parents and students objected, and now the temple has to raise
huge amounts of money to relocate the school outside of the temple campus.
Thus the devotees who run these programs will find it very difficult, if not
impossible, to reconnect the Mid Day Meals program with kirtana.

Bhakti Vikasa Maharaja raises a more serious issue: that the Mid Day Meals
program is advertised as fulfilling purposes that are against the philosophy
Srila Prabhupada taught. This is an example from the Who Are We? page of
ISKCON Food Relief Foundations Delhi Mid Day Meals website:

ISKCON Food Relief Foundation is a Non-Religious, Non-Sectarian, and
Not-for Profit Charitable Trust (http://www.delhimdm.com/whoweare.php).

The websites vision page (http://www.delhimdm.com/vision_m.php) makes it
even more self-evident that the prasadam distribution program embraces
objectives opposed to ISKCONs original core mission (bolding added).

QUOTE

Vision: Removing hunger and upscaling learning opportunities for
underprivileged children

Mission: ISKCON Food Relief Foundation works with Government to provide
hygienically cooked, balanced, nutritious, wholesome Mid-Day Meal food to
children in municipal and government aided schools in India to improve
access to good food and promote education.

Philosophy: ISKCON Food Relief Foundation believes that food is a
fundamental right. Inadequate nutrition not only affects physical, mental,
and emotional health of children adversely but also restricts their learning
ability, development opportunities and effective participation in the
community.

We believe that a simple way of breaking the vicious cycle of hunger and
poverty is by providing them regular and nutritious food and this fulfills
ISKCONs mission.

Goals: 1. To promote the provision of distribution of sanctified meals all
over the India; and 2. To promote food system education;

END QUOTE

This is Bhakti Vikasa Maharajas response to examples like the one above:

QUOTE

The idea of building the nation is totally mundane. It is the idea that we
will build the nation by having more people educated so they can become
lawyers, doctors, or more likely become factory workers. It is also the idea
that we are helping children to improve their life, and thats also mundane.
And that we want to help develop the present modern society. . .

But that wasnt Prabhupadas welfare program at all.  His social welfare
program was to develop varnashram communities where people dont have to
live in this demonic society. That was Prabhupadas welfare program.

It wasnt that Prabhupada was callous to social welfare, but he wanted to do
so through varnashram and varnashram educationthat people will be educated
according to their role in varnashram. So the advertising for Mid Day Meals
is totally mundane.

And you may say it is just a way to induce people to give a donation for it,
but the problem is that, when we start talking like this, our people go out
and speak to the public, they meet businessmen and tell them, OK, were
helping hungry children, and building the nation. . ., and you keep
repeating it and saying it again and again and again, you start to think
like that yourself. And instead of following Chaitanya Mahaprabhus order
jare dekha tare kaha krishna upadesh, youre going to people to talk about
mundane things. It changes the whole atmosphere of ISKCON.

END QUOTE

Maharajas argument echoes the same point that Narada Muni made to
Vyasadeva.

Jayadvaita Maharaja in his own lecture series argues similarly, except that
he follows through with his argument to its logical conclusion, which is the
mixing of karma-kanda with bhakti:

QUOTE

There is a problem, or downside to that, apart from whether or not youre
actually doing something that you are supposed to be doing, or that you are
authorized by Srila Prabhupada, by a Founder-Acharya to do. You have this
problem:

First you say, Were going to make a strategy here. Were going to do
something charitable, and people are going to give us their appreciation. We
understand that it is not really our business, but were going to do it, and
people are going to see that were doing it, and thats going to help us in
our main business. Were going to be able to distribute more books, people
will give us more facility, and so on. That is stage one.

Stage two is that as you start to get appreciation and as you preach to the
devotees that this is what were going to do, the next stage two comes. That
is, devotees start thinking that we really are doing something here, which
is our mission. That really, We are doing good work here. Really, were
fulfilling Prabhupadas mission. Were helping the needy. Were saving
people afflicted by disaster. Thats stage two, to the point where if
anyone says, Well, Prabhu, you know, this is not . . ., then youll start
getting heavy letters saying, Dont you know there are sincere devotees
working all over the world, dedicating themselves, risking their lives. . .
Thats stage twothis IS our mission.

And stage three, four, five comes when you reach the mature stage, like the
Salvation Army. I dont know how theyre known in England, in America, when
you have junk, that you would dispose of, rather than take it to the dump,
you call the Salvation Army. And they cart away your old clothes, old
furniture, old whatever-it-is, and distribute it to the poor. Or the St.
Vincent DePaul Society. There are various organizations. . .

I knew of that organization. I used to see their trucks with the big shield
on it, when I was a child, a boy. And I dont think I was younger than about
20 before I found out that they had any sort of spiritual component to them.
They are in fact a Christian missionary organization, they do have a message
about Jesus and salvation and so on. But I had no idea what it was, and in
fact, because in my tradition the word salvation is not a big term, as far
as I understood, salvation meant picking up your old garbage and carting
it away, and thats salvage.

So in the mature stage, you finally reach the point where even your leaders
of your organization believe that this is your mission. The leaders of your
organization, the theologians, the priests, believe that this is what Jesus,
or this is what Jehova, or this is what Lord Chaitanya wanted us to do. And
at that point, what is the distinction between you and a karma-kanda
organization?

What is the distinction between you and the Red Cross or the Red Crescent
Society? Now that you are doing the work of all these charitable societies,
who is doing your work? Who is there to preach renunciation? Who is there to
preach that youre not this body? Who is there to preach that you should
turn your back on material enjoyment and go back home, back to Godhead, now
that youre busy fully dedicated to the urgent mission of uplifting the
afflicted people of the poorer classes of this material world, so they can
have a decent life, who is going to do that other work?

END QUOTE

Though Jayadvaita Maharaja focuses more on the end resultthe establishment
of karma-kanda as one of ISKCONs core valueshe and Bhakti Vikasa Maharaja
make the fundamental point that because welfare activities like the Mid Day
Meals program is promoted in a mundane way and in ways that stand against
our long-held siddhantas, the transformation of ISKCON into yet another
mundane religious institution is not merely a remote, theoretical
possibility. It is likely.

And now, perhaps inevitable.

From Bhaktisiddhanta Vaibhava, page 421:

QUOTE

The thousands of karmis who have opened innumerable hospitals, old age
homes, centers for the poor, and schools, and the thousands of jnanis who
have undergone meditation and severe austerities, are insignificant compared
to a single kanishta-adhikari Vaishnava once ringing the bell before the
Lords deity. This is not sectarianism, but plain truth. Atheists are wholly
incapable of realizing this; thus they become either direct or indirect
blasphemers of devotional service, or adherents to the doctrine of
harmonistic all-inclusiveness (Amrta Vani 102  3; Sri Srila Prabhupadera
Upadesamrta 174).

Being averse to Lord Visnu, countless jivas have come to Maha-mayas dungeon
to envy Lord Visnu in countless ways. To deliver even one of them from
Maha-mayas fortress and make him a devotee of Krsna is unlimitedly better
welfare work than the construction of countless hospitals and schools (Sri
Srila Prabhupadera Upadesamrta 286).

Krishna-bhakti is the only way to deracinate miseries from the world. You
are working only for the good of the body and treating the symptoms, not the
original disease. Your patchwork schemes of various social, economic, and
political ideologies are like blowing on a boil, which gives but a momentary
and false sense of assuagement. The real cure is to lance the boil and
squeeze out the pus. Similarly, the pus of material attachment must be
excised by the sharp words of the expert devotee, the only genuine
well-wisher of human society (Jati Sekhara Prabhu, disciple of Srila
Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura).

[1] Both lectures by Bhakti Vikasa Swami are available here:

http://bvks.com/20122/

Cute and Cuddly Discussions on Mundane Welfare

white_teddy_bear_183851.jpgAnd they say I use heavy language. No, look. All cute and cuddly language up in here!.

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Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari really dont know who he is or what his ideologies/loyalties are at. i hope he’s not some humantarian fem-liber modern iskcon guy. in that case i would have enabled an enemy. BTW I went through his page and found some non-devotional sorta humantarian content there. whatever.
He talks to BVKS, so he must be somewhat alright.

Atmavan Dasa

Atmavan Dasa well human care is part of devotional life i guess. traditional at heart. references can be given. thank you for helping!

Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari Human care or broadly speaking ‘jiva daya’, is a part of vaishnavism which it to be applied within vaishanavism, not that we take an element.
E.g. ‘poor feeding’ and then run with it and make a sub movement out of it, on it’s own by removing the Krsna-factor that makes for the difference between ‘Prasad with kirtan’ as contrasted with ‘simply prasadam’, which SP said was nonsense.
The moment you do that it becomes a proper rascal project which is just another bodily concept of life nonsense.
So that fine line between vaishnavism and atheistic humanism should never be crossed.
FYI, as far as the word ‘humanitarian’ is concerned: Hanumanji, Jatayu nor any of the millions of monkeys in Rama’s army were humans. So we have to invent a new word, monkeytarian to accommodate them then?

Manikar Das Brahmachari
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Atmavan Dasa
Atmavan Dasa In our individual lives we progress by gradually differentiating between matter and spirit, what is pleasing to guru/krsna, and what is not. At least if the theoretical understanding is there, I wouldn’t worry so much about some sentimental worldly care. It will be purified. It is normal for a sadhaka to have such sentiments. The proper application of devotional principles should be understood and if an ambition towards applying it in devotional life is there, it is not a disturbance in society. So we are living according to our levels of realizations. Not according to others.
But your teaching is also required and appreciated. Thank you for reminding of the highest and the proper understanding!

Manikar Das Brahmachari

Manikar Das Brahmachari haribol, they are not “my teachings”. that is the glory of the paradox of vaishnavism. if they were my “opinions” they would be useless. They are facts not opinions.

Atmavan Dasa

Atmavan Dasa “…your representation and teaching of the sampradaya truth…” is that better? 🙂 i did not mean it is your opinion. i very well know these facts as well.

Manikar Das Brahmachari
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Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari ” wouldn’t worry so much about some sentimental worldly care. It will be purified. It is normal for a sadhaka to have such sentiments. ”
We have all sympathy for that. But that is not the discussion.
An iskcon devotee who likes to feed pigeons on his way home from work because he likes the feeling he gets is one thing.
BUT making a movement out of ‘feeding poor peopl’e and then justifying it using malapplied siddhanta is a whole different thing.
You like feeding the poor, do it. Do it in your own house, with your own money, who’s stopping you?
Why do those iskcon leaders concoct a whole movement out of “poor feeding”?
There’s gulf of difference between our personal petty anartha for ‘wordly care’ and the systematic perversion of the siddhanta on a movement-wide scale which compromises the movement’s very definition.

Atmavan Dasa

Atmavan Dasa agree. i am talking from an individuals position.

Manikar Das Brahmachari

Manikar Das Brahmachari yes, that is a different thing. weve all got our karma baggage! 😀

Food For Life is Against Prabhupada’s Teachings

The only comprehensive guide to understanding and exposing the FFL deviation in the world.

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What about feeding in 10 mile radius?
Prabhupada writes to a mundane welfare committee
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Sivaram Swami distributing karmi chocolate from Belle Vista Company in the “Christmas spirit” in a Hungarian FFL program!

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Krishna Kirti prabhu smashing FFL

krishna-kirti says :

Only people who believe themselves so elevated as to be incapable of falling into maya could make statements like this:

Neither Food for Life Global, ISKCON Communications, or any devotee in their right mind would ever entertain the idea of disregarding the preaching mission to focus on some mundane charity.

Why wouldn’t devotees entertain the idea of disregarding the preaching mission? It has happened often–in the name of preaching no less–for devotees to not be in their right minds all the while believing themselves to be free from delusion. Even big devotees who are managers of very important global projects are not exceptions. Certainly, Prabhu Priyavrata hasn’t given us a reason to believe otherwise.

As regards to Shastra and the acharyas, I would have thought that, by now, with all the accumulated negative experience of all the things that have gone wrong when devotees selectively lift a quote here and a quote there in order to justify some new idea, that we would start to see this kind of thing fade away. But that practice is apparently alive and well, and the open letter is guilty of indulging in it.

For example, Bhakti Vikasa Maharaja in his lecture quoted at length a letter from Srila Prabhupada to the top ministers in the State of Andhra Pradhesh. And in that letter, Srila Prabhupada turned down their request to spearhead a massive food relief effort during a famine going on in the region at the time. Bhakti Vikasa Maharaja also read the request of the ministers, verbatim. In their request, they even promised Srila Prabhupada unqualified support for establishing ISKCON in their state. Yet Srila Prabhupada refused. That kind of counter-evidence doesn’t make it into the open letter. If it had, the open letter would have had to concede that Bhakti Vikasa Maharaja did indeed have some important points worthy of consideration.

Of course, Maharaja is here accused of being selective in his own quotes, but what Maharaja quotes is not the kind of thing you hear from the Food for Life people. It is certainly not a part of their propaganda, or a part of their hermeneutic for that matter. They are no less selective. So Maharaja is performing a valuable service in reminding us of the pitfalls that all too often turn out to be real.

As to the members of the cited organizations here being incapable of going off in a wrong direction, show me the Vedic injunction that says so and I’ll believe it.

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Stages of progression: from Gaudiya Vaishnavism to mundane charity.

Jayadvaita Maharaj’s analysis 

Stage 1:

Start out with a strategy to do some sort of welfare activity that the public will appreciate.

In the beginning the Food For Life preacher will say “Well this is not really our work but we are going to do it to get some public sympathy or appreciation.”

Stage 2:

Food For Life preacher preaches to some of his people. They start to think, “Actually this is good work”

Stage 3:

The temple leaders now start to think of FFL as being something that Krishna wants us to do.

Stage 4:

The ultimate stage in which the Food For Life preacher, the temple leaders start to say, “Whether or not this is what Krishna wants us to do, it is essential we must do it, people are in need, people are desperate for food. What ever Krishna said or what ever Prabhupada said, we must do it.

The last stage the FFL program has historically reached. People start off with some compromise and some more compromise and this is the point that the devotees come to. They say, “Any God would support this”

Some transcriptions from Jayadvaita Maharaj’s lecture

“There is a problem, or downside to that, apart from whether or not you’re actually doing something that you are supposed to be doing, or that you are authorized by Srila Prabhupada, by a Founder-Acharya to do. You have this problem:

First you say, “We’re going to make a strategy here. We’re going to do something charitable, and people are going to give us their appreciation. We understand that it is not really our business, but we’re going to do it, and people are going to see that we’re doing it, and that’s going to help us in our main business. We’re going to be able to distribute more books, people will give us more facility, and so on.” That is stage one.

Stage two is that as you start to get appreciation and as you preach to the devotees that this is what we’re going to do, the next stage two comes. That is, devotees start thinking that we really are doing something here, which is our mission. That really, “We are doing good work here. Really, we’re fulfilling Prabhupada’s mission. We’re helping the needy. We’re saving people afflicted by disaster.” That’s stage two, to the point where if anyone says, “Well, Prabhu, you know, this is not . . .”, then you’ll start getting heavy letters saying, “Don’t you know there are sincere devotees working all over the world, dedicating themselves, risking their lives. . .” That’s stage two—this IS our mission.

And stage three, four, five comes when you reach the mature stage, like the Salvation Army. I don’t know how they’re known in England, in America, when you have junk, that you would dispose of, rather than take it to the dump, you call the Salvation Army. And they cart away your old clothes, old furniture, old whatever-it-is, and distribute it to the poor. Or the St. Vincent DePaul Society. There are various organizations. . .

I knew of that organization. I used to see their trucks with the big shield on it, when I was a child, a boy. And I don’t think I was younger than about 20 before I found out that they had any sort of spiritual component to them. They are in fact a Christian missionary organization, they do have a message about Jesus and salvation and so on. But I had no idea what it was, and in fact, because in my tradition the word “salvation” is not a big term, as far as I understood “salvation” meant picking up your old garbage and carting it away, and that’s “salvage.”

So in the mature stage, you finally reach the point where even your leaders of your organization believe that this is your mission. The leaders of your organization, the theologians, the priests, believe that this is what Jesus, or this is what Jehova, or this is what Lord Chaitanya wanted us to do. And at that point, what is the distinction between you and a karma-kanda organization?

What is the distinction between you and the Red Cross or the Red Crescent Society? Now that you are doing the work of all these charitable societies, who is doing your work? Who is there to preach renunciation? Who is there to preach that you’re not this body? Who is there to preach that you should turn your back on material enjoyment and go back home, back to Godhead, now that you’re busy fully dedicated to the urgent mission of uplifting the afflicted people of the poorer classes of this material world, so they can have a decent life, who is going to do that other work?”

Jayadvaita Maharaj stands firm with his objection to Food For Life

Jayadvaita Maharaj said,
“To clarify: I don’t doubt that what Vaiyasaki Prabhu wrote is true. That is, I assume he has accurately conveyed what Priyavrata Prabhu told him.

I also find it understandable that Priyavrata Prabhu may have gotten the impression that I was backing off from what I had said in my “Food for Death” course. When I met him, I was not in a mood to be confrontational, I expressed some appreciation for his personal endeavors to share Krsna consciousness with a niche market of vegans and vegetarian activists, and I offered that in the future I wouldn’t use the title “Food for Death.”

That said: I stand behind the contents of my “Food for Death” course one hundred percent.

I believe that Srila Prabhupada’s teachings about mundane welfare work, “poor feeding,” and so on are clear, strong, and consistent and that the course represents them accurately.

For that matter, I believe that advocates of “Food for Life” often pull his words out of context in order to justify ways of prasadam distribution His Divine Grace would disapprove of and in fact, when present, did disapprove of.

And I believe that much (perhaps even most) of what goes on under the banner of “Food for Life” runs directly against what Srila Prabhupada instructed.

Were I to give the course today, I would if anything speak even more strongly. Since I last gave the course, additional evidence from Srila Prabhupada has come my way that I would certainly offer.

(Do you know, for example, why the building built for public prasadam distribution near the roadside in Mayapur was outfitted with turnstiles? I always thought it was to prevent crowds from rushing in. No, says Madhusevita Prabhu. It was because Srila Prabhupada ordered that people should be checked on the way out to make sure they didn’t bring any prasadam out with them. “They will mix it with their fish,” Srila Prabhupada said, “and then it will be aparadha.” Madhusevita Prabhu, a brahmacari in Mayapur at the time, was among those given the responsibility to do the checking.)

I would also cite newer examples of how ISKCON distributes prasadam in ways exactly contrary to Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. (The flagship temple in one country I visit drops the food off at schools and orphanages, to be distributed however the staff they drop it with see fit. No kirtana, no preaching. Just dump the prasadam and go.)

My revered spiritual master was bold, strong, and uncompromising in his teachings, and to see his Society leave behind that spirit of uncompromising boldness and abandon or distort those teachings for the sake of collecting money and winning public acclaim saddens me.

Vaiyasaki Prabhu’s text signals to me that my words to Priyavrata Prabhu about “Food for Life” seem to have been misunderstood. Accordingly, with apologies to Priyavrata Prabhu, I withdraw my offer to hold back from using the title “Food for Death.” I think the title is right on, and I fully stand behind both the title and the course.”

Bhakti Vikas Maharaj on Food For Life etc

So Srila Prabhupada didn’t … Srila Prabhupada said different things at different times. He didn’t want … there is one quote in which he says that simply feeding the poor is nonsense, there should also be some kirtana and some discussion of philosophy. If we only give food to the poor, Prabhupada said that is nonsense because he didn’t want … it’s quite clear from his letters that Srila Prabhupada didn’t want to promote ISKCON as being a social welfare movement in the way that it’s generally considered by mundane people. Although sometimes he did say that distribute prasad and people will appreciate that but it was never something that he promoted so much.

People join and just do that activity in many ISKCON centers

Whereas nowadays people they join ISKCON and they think that in some centers it’s like the main activity. They don’t have book distribution… hardly at all but they have the mid day meals and the devotees are sent to go out and collect for mid day meals, not to distribute books or do Harinama as their main service.

Advertising is totally mundane

So the advertising to the mid day meals program if you see there brochures or whatever, it’s that you see that “We are helping to build a nation” That appeals to people that we … but it goes we are helping to build the nation by getting the children educated, we are giving children a good future. But that’s completely against our philosophy, the idea of building the nations is totally mundane, the idea that we will build a nation by having more people educated so that they can become loyal doctors, engineers or more likely become factory workers. The idea we are helping children to improve their life that’s also mundane. The idea that they can improve their life in a material way is itself mundane and that we want to help develop the present modern society but that wasn’t Prabhupada’s program at all.

Prabhupada’s welfare program was Varnasrama community

His social welfare program was to develop Varnasrama community where people don’t have to live in this demoniac society. That was Prabhupada’s welfare program. It wasn’t that Prabhupada was callous to social welfare but he wanted to do so through and Varnasrama and Varnasrama education that people will be educated according to their role in Varnasrama.

Volunteers start thinking in mundane terms

So the advertizing for mid day meals is mundane, mundane meals. And you may say it’s just to induce people to give a donation for it but the problem is that when we start talking like this and people go out and speak to the public, they go and meet businessmen and then tell him, “Look we are helping hungry children, we are building up the nation, and we ___keep on repeating it and saying it again and again and again, you start to think like that yourself. And instead of following Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s order, jare dekhe tare kaho krsna upadesa, you are going and talking to people about mundane things. So it changes the whole atmosphere of ISKCON.

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  1. Vrindavanchandra says :


    Following is the reply from His Holiness Bhakti Vikasa Maharaj on Priyavrata Prabhu’s statement:

     

    Fortunately for us is that prasadam distribution is ALWAYS transcendental, no matter who it is directed at.

    Priyavrata Prabhu has stated that prasada distribution is always transcendental. This appears to be an axiomatic fact, but actually it is a statement that needs to be qualified, which I will do by offering some examples of how “prasada” or its distribution can be non-transcendental.

    The following is from a conversation on farm management, on December 10, 1976, in Hyderabad:

    Mahamsa: “Some people I know, they said that yesterday the prasada was not nice, and there was…

    Prabhupada: Not nice, it is not eatable even by the dogs. But you are less than the dogs if you (prepare) such thing. I was surprised. You allowed a sweeper to cook. I was surprised. We have distribution prasada, not dog’s food. Such rascals as here. You do not know. I do not wish to discuss anymore on this point. You have murdered the whole thing in two days. Now if possible, bring them, bring them first class prasada, very palatable.

    Similarly, when in Nairobi Srila Prabhupada was served unspiced boiled vegetables, he called it “dog food.” (Srila Prabhupada-lilamrta ch. 38)

    Gaur Kishor Das Babaji Maharaja would reject his so-called followers for taking food at certain Vaisnava festivals. Babaji Maharaja considered food offered or cooked by people who were not properly following the Vaisnava principles to be the cause of falldown, even if such food was given at a Vaisnava festival and considered by all present to be prasada.

    Sometimes devotees purchase food from a store (e.g. bread or sweets made from grains), then offer it and distribute it to others as prasada—even though offering food cooked by nondevotees is against the Vaisnava principles. In India, it is quite common that for big festivals, cooks are hired who are not chanting sixteen rounds, probably not following the regulative principles, almost certainly watching TV, and engaging in other activities which pollute the consciousness. We can go through the formality of offering what they cook, and then distribute it as prasada. But is that really what it is?

    (continues…)

  2. Vrindavanchandra says :

    (…continued)

    I have seen at some Govinda’s restaraunts that, even though the cook is an initiated devotee, he is not chanting sixteen rounds. In such cases, what is offered to Krishna may not be accepted by Him and thus what is distributed is not prasada (and therefore not transcendental).

    Similarly, I have seen some cooks hired for the Midday Meals program who are clearly quite mercantile—they are there only because they are paid. I am not saying that all Midday Meals staff are unqualified, but if someone is cooking as a job and they don’t have any proper spiritual practices, we may go through the formality of offering what they cook, but we have to consider whether that is actually prasada.

    Another case in which the result of prasada distribution is not transcendental is described by Srila Prabhupada in his purport to Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.26.13:

    Sometimes it is found that an initiated person, in the name of prasada, eats very luxurious foodstuffs. Due to his past sinful life he becomes attracted by Cupid and eats good food voraciously. It is clearly visible that when a neophyte in Krsna consciousness eats too much, he falls down. Instead of being elevated to pure Krsna consciousness, he becomes attracted by Cupid. The so-called brahmacari becomes agitated by women, and the vanaprastha may again become captivated into having sex with his wife. Or he may begin to search out another wife.

    Srila Prabhupada states that under certain circumstances the effect of taking prasada is not purifying, but actually causes falldown. The fault is not in the prasada but in the attitude toward the prasada. We can link this with Srila Prabhupada’s stating in a letter (of 13 May 1972) that simply distributing food is nonsense (even though the food was presumably meant to be prasada). Srila Prabhupada said that there must also be spiritual education. From this we can understand that if prasada is presented as ordinary food or if people believe it to be ordinary food, the purifying effect is going to be significantly diminished.

    I question advertising (as is done for Midday Meals) that aims to induce people to give money so that children can go to school and in this way the nation will develop. Midday Meals advertisements hardly ever mention Srila Prabhupada or Krsna. (continues…)

  3. Vrindavanchandra says :

    (…continued)

    Devotees who have joined this movement for the sake of propagating transcendental knowledge are sent to meet businessmen and tell them that we are feeding poor children to help develop the nation. The consciousness that is cultivated through such activity is mundane. If we regularly talk about food, money, poor people, and “developing the nation,” and show people photos of Bollywood stars who have endorsed our program, then how Krsna conscious are we going to be?

    Even though Srila Prabhupada definitely wanted widespread prasada distribution and he did give some indications that we can distribute to poor people under certain circumstances, there are also strong warnings from Srila Prabhupada against making our profile one of mundane welfare workers, which is what is presently being promoted by some of our devotees.

    hari-guru-vaisnava-dasa,
    BVS

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Prabhupada’s letter condemning distribution of prasadam if done without kirtan

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Science of Self Realization, Chapter 6, part-4: Declaring Our Dependence on God

In 1972, the South Indian state of Andhra Pradesh was stricken by a severe drought that affected millions. Hoping that the International Society for Krishna Consciousness would provide assistance, T. L. Katidia, Secretary of the Andhra Pradesh Relief Fund Committee, wrote to Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada responded with this surprising and edifying letter.

Revered Swamiji,

The residents of the twin cities are happy to have this opportunity to meet you and your esteemed followers. You may be aware that due to inadequate rainfall during the last two years and its complete failure this year, more than half of our state [Andhra Pradesh, a state in southern India] is in the grip of a serious drought. With a view to supplement governmental efforts to combat this evil, a Central Voluntary Organization of citizens drawn from various walks of life has been set up. The members of this organization surveyed the areas affected by drought.

The situation is pathetic. There are villages where drinking water is not available for miles. Due to scarcity of fodder, the cattle owners are parting with their cattle for a nominal price. Many of the stray cattle are dying away due to unavailability of fodder and water. The food problem is also very serious. Due to high prices of food grains on the open market, purchase of grains at market prices is beyond the reach of poor villagers, with the result that at least five to six million people are hardly having one meal a day. There are many who are on the verge of starvation. The entire situation is most pathetic and heartrending.

We therefore appeal to your revered self to consider how your Society could best come to the rescue of these millions of souls who are in unimaginable distress. The Committee would like to suggest that members of your Society appeal to the bhaktas [devotees] attending your discourses to contribute their mite to the Andhra Pradesh Relief Fund.

The Committee is prepared to send some of its representatives along with members of your Society wherever you wish to distribute prasada to the hungry millions in the state.

As manava-seva is madhava-seva [“Service to man is service to God”], the Committee is confident that even a little effort by your gracious Society will go a long way in mitigating the sufferings of hundreds and thousands of people.

Yours ever in the service of the Lord, T. L. Kapadia, Secretary

Andhra Pradesh Relief fund Committee Hyderabad, India

Prabhupada’s reply to above letter

My dear Mr. Kapadia,

Please accept my greetings. With reference to your letter and your personal interview, I beg to inform you that without pleasing the Supreme Personality of Godhead, no one can become happy. Unfortunately people do not know who God is and how to make Him happy. Our Krsna consciousness movement is therefore meant to present the Supreme Personality of Godhead directly to the people. As stated in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, Seventh Canto, Sixth Chapter: tuste ca tatra kim alabhyam ananta adye/ kim tair guna-vyatikarad iha ye sva-siddhah.

The idea stated in this verse is that by pleasing the Supreme Personality of Godhead, we please everyone, and there is no question of scarcity. Because people do not know this secret of success, they are making their own independent plans to be happy. However, it is not possible to achieve happiness in this way.

On your letterhead I find many important men in this country who are interested in relieving the sufferings of the people, but they should know for certain that without pleasing the Supreme Personality of Godhead all their attempts will be futile. A diseased man cannot live simply on the strength of the help of an expert physician and medicine. If this were so, then no rich man would ever die. One must be favored by Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Therefore if you want to perform relief work simply by collecting funds, I think that it will not be successful. You have to please the supreme authority, and that is the way to success. For example, due to the performance of sankirtana here, the rain has begun to fall after a drought of two years.

The last time we performed a Hare Krsna Festival in Delhi, there was imminent danger of Pakistan’s declaring war, and when a newspaper man approached me for my opinion, I said there must be fighting because the other party was aggressive. However, because of our sankirtana movement, India emerged victorious. Similarly, when we held a festival in Calcutta, the

Naxalite [Communist] movement stopped. These are facts. Through the sankirtana movement we can not only get all facilities for living, but also at the end can go back home, back to Godhead. Those who are of a demoniac nature cannot understand this, but it is a fact.

I therefore request you, as leading members of society, to join this movement. There is no loss on anyone’s part for chanting the Hare Krsna mantra, but the gain is great. According to Bhagavad-gita (3.21), what is accepted by leading men is also accepted by common men:

yad yad acarati sresthas tat tad evetaro janah sa yat pramanam kurute lokas tad anuvartate

“Whatever action a great man performs, common men follow in his footsteps. And whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues.”

The sankirtana movement of Krsna consciousness is very important. Therefore, through you I wish to appeal to all the leading men of India to accept this movement very seriously and give us all facility to spread this movement throughout the world. Then there will be a very happy condition, not only in India but all over the world.

Hoping this will meet you in good health,

Your ever well-wisher,

A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

Few elucidations and refutations offered by us

Everyone is silent on the matter of mundane welfare e.g. Food For Life within iskcon since it involves most or almost all of the big players, big names in iskcon.

There is Jayapataka s, Kripamoya Das, Bhakti tirtha s, Sivarama s, Gopal Krishna Goswami… Big names who are doing all these mundane welfare “nonsensical things”.

So who will talk to them? How will they listen?

We are at a state of, “tumi chup ami chup” you keep mum I keep mum, as Bhaktisiddhanta used to say.

Mukunda Goswami, the person who invented this deviation

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Mukunda Goswami is the man behind this nonsensical philosophical deviation involving distribution of food to poor people. Pls read first para on page 77 of the book Betrayal Of Spirit by Nori J.M / Nandini Ex-Dasi.

” In P.R. consultations on the subject, Mukunda convinced my father that individual temples could afford to distribute free food, without relying on the BBT. They saw it as a way the temples could give back to society and propagate spiritual vegetarian food at the same time. Dad and Mukunda thought of the name “Hare Krishna Food for Life” and talked about dozens of ideas to promote the project. Mukunda revived his PublicAffairs Newsletter to introduce Food for Life to the temple presidents and offered to fly to any center that wanted to start their own program. Food for Life quickly caught on. Mukunda hired a graphic artist to design a logo for letterheads, vans, and storefronts. Temples in Cleveland, Dallas, and Philadelphia applied for, and received, government grants for thousands of dollars; the Food for Life center in Philadelphia included a shelter for women and children. These programs attracted much support from members of city councils, mayors, and the media. Within the first year, temples in England, France, Bolivia, Germany, Spain, and Australia were distributing Hare Krishna Food for Life. Mukunda knew that these proactive steps were the right way to change public opinion. My father agreed and sometimes complained to me about the attitudes and issues holding the organization back.”

BTW, first tense is Nandini Ex-Dasi.

Nah Nah

Nah NahWhat’s so mundane about prasad distribution ?

Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das BrahmachariMundane is the speculation on the service of distribution. This makes it a seva aparādha.
Make the prasad go along with Kirtan/kathā(sermon).

Our  reply to Nah Nah(Bhakti Tirtha Maharaj’s disciple, Bhakti Tirtha Maharaj was a FFL promoter FYI)

First of all it is mostly factory made food at the hands of karmis(non-devotees). Hence this type is unacceptable by Krishna and cannot be called prasad.

Normal food becomes prasad when cooked and offered by devotees to Krishna.

Even when it is made by the devotees we have orders as in this letter to never give it away without any accompanying Sankirtana.

Sankirtana is yajna(a fire sacrifice for Krishna).

Prasad is distributed along with yajna.

Prasad means the remnants of yajna.

Let us analyze this hypothetical case: If you perform yajna viz., Sankirtana in Honolulu and pack it up and distribute it in Tokyo. It does not loose its potency but it is an absurd act.

Now even if you argue that it is prasad(Krishnaized food) and we must give it just for the sake of spiritual uplift then a 200ml of bottled charanamriti(Krishnaized water) is as pure as a plate of 200grams of prasad. So let’s distribute charanamrita if you are purely concerned with the spiritual life of the souls of the world. Thus this argument that we are concerned with the spiritual progress of the souls is not sustained.

Why stop there? Let’s go out and put the paduka(replica insignia of the Lord’s feet) on the street people’s heads as we do in the temple when worshiping Krishna?

Hence, to never fall prey to speculations about religion we ask always a simple question: Was mass prasadam distribution without sankirtan be it to the general populace or even specifically to the poor masses, ever done by the achrayas?

The answer is no.

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Goto Jayadavaita Maharaja and say, “Your Holiness, mercy please!”. Then perhaps our movement will be saved from the mundane welfare nonsense, one of them being Food For Life.

Let’s take the mercy of understanding varnaashram from His Holiness Bhakti Vikas swami instead of going somewhere else to beg for mercy.

We need a lot of mercy to understand that Food for Life is anti-prabhupada. Such mercy will come from Bhakti Vikas or Jayadavaita Maharaja.

So let’s understand that Food for Life is not varna asharam as Prabhupada wanted then if we have time let’s goto Udupi.

Basu Ghosh Pr. Smashes Pro-FFL Arguments

Vasudeva: In this context, I find the social welfare argument in danger of being called unfair faultfinding, especially as the persons concerned happen to be top preachers whose personal character and dedication to Srila Prabhupada has been long standing. Don’t you find these considerations crucial to the debate?

Basu Ghosh: Fact is that your argument diverts the issue. The issue is that Srila Prabhupada very clearly, on many occasions, DID NOT APPROVE of ISKCON engaging in social welfare activities.

Vasudeva: 1. Prabhu, I would share your concern with the midday meal concept if those performing it were doing so at the expense of direct preaching or book distribution. But as the main devotees engaged in midday meal distribution happen to be today’s world leaders in Srila Prabhupada book distribution, I cannot possibly fault them for ALSO caring for the destitute, even if what they feed them isn’t Deity standard prasadam.

Basu Ghosh: Prabhu, with all due respect, I reject the logic that you have presented herein above: that because some of ISKCON’s leaders encourage book distribution (admittedly), that activity justifies marshalling vast resources and manpower for social welfare/humanitarian activities. It is consequentialist logic, not in concurrence with Prabhupada’s instructions.

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/11-11/editorials7923.htm

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/11-11/editorials7918.htm

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/10-11/editorials7862.htm

Vasudeva: In this context, I find the social welfare argument in danger of being called unfair faultfinding, especially as the persons concerned happen to be top preachers whose personal character and dedication to Srila Prabhupada has been long standing. Don’t you find these considerations crucial to the debate?

Reply: So is Jayadvaita Maharaj’s not a ” top preachers whose personal character and dedication to Srila Prabhupada has been long standing” why not consider his rank and profile as well? So you give some sentimental line of thought saying that the rank of the FFL leaders should be considered; we too can give the same sentimental line by saying that the rank of JAS should be considered. Thus, to equate the number of years that person has dedicated his life to Prabhupada mission with his judicious of judgement is fallacious.

Steve Rosen supports FFL (by writing a whole book about it)

On page 124 of the book Hare Krishna Movement’s Contribution To Vegetarianism, Steve Rosen the author quotes some Australian clergyman, “Hare Krishna, I think, will be the salvation army of the 21st century”. Steve does not understand that it is no compliment at all rather is a great insult to become degraded like the Salvation Army.

From Page 121 of ‘The Hare Krishna Contribution to Vegetarianism
and Animal Rights (2004)’ a book by Steve Rosen (Satyaraja Das)
Bhakti Tirtha Swami’s mundane welfare was done with 20000
plates of prasadam or (what ever it was), distributed in Lagos(Nigeria). This
act was repeated in Ghana.
A reported said, “One might think this was the second coming of Jesus because just as he fed the masses, so the Hare Krishnas were feeding thousands of people”.
Giriraj and Indradyumna Swamis did their share of mundane welfare as well. In 1988, in Kwazulu many trucks of prasadam or “whatever food” it was, were distributed.

Page 122 of the same book

“Mundane welfare not only eats away at devotees’ times but
also puts their live at risk much like any other mundane ideology which gives a
sense of purpose to a human being. E.g. in Sarajevo, Bosnia, this theory of FFL
was effective in convincing the devotees who joined iskcon thinking of
performing Krishna Bhakti that it is ok to goto a wartorn area for 3 years
daily and distribute food there. This area was even forsaken for its danger by
Red Cross. But the devotees went there only because they were indoctrinated into believing that what they were doing was what Prabhupada wanted.”

What about feeding in 10 mile radius?

Kevin Oliver Gagnier

Kevin Oliver GagnierAnd SP’s comments about everyone with a specified distance should be fed?

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Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das BrahmachariWe must feed the people prasad (food offered to Krishna) in a 10 mile radius of the temple.
But feed them prasad along with Krishna Katha (spiritual sermon) and or Krishna Kirtan (singing and chanting of Krishna’s Holy names).
When the prasad is divorced from the Krishna Katha and Krishna Kirtan and used in a propaganda to win non-devotee public sympathy by labeling it “food for poor people”. This is an infringement of the laws concerning the distribution of prasad.
We can’t say, “it’s all spiritual Prabhu”. But even in that “spiritual” there are laws.
Hence the condemnation by Jayadvaita Maharaj, Bhakti Vikas Maharaj, Basu Ghosh & Krishna Kirti Prabhus and our humble self.
(Of course, we must be practical and think of the funds etc.)
Prasad distribution in our Kirtans and Katha programs is our success mantra as Prabhupada explains here.761210R1-HYDERABAD – December 10, 1976 – 44.08 Minutes
Prabhupāda: But attract them. They will come here to eat: “Oh, very nice thing.” That is wanted. I made this movement successful simply by Love Feast. They did not come to hear Hare Kṛṣṇa. They came for Love Feast. From very beginning, when I was in 26 Second Avenue, every Sunday I was giving nice foodstuff, at least 200 men. Daily at least more than fifteen, twenty. I was cooking myself. That is the beginning of my movement. The cāpāṭis with Kīrtanānanda, first of all he was taking one and two, then twelve. (laughter) There was another boy…Devotees: Stryādhīśa.Prabhupāda: Stryādhīśa. Twenty-two cāpāṭis. (laughter) “Stryādhīśa, can I give you?” “Yes.” I gave him four. Finished. “Stryādhīśa, can I give you?” “Yes.” (laughter) Very nice boy. He was eating twenty-two. One day there was no money, so he immediately went and came after some time with some money. “And where did you go?” The shoe booth. He polished shoes and brought some money. (laughs) (laughter) In this way, this was developed. Give them prasādam, nice prasādam. Any gentleman comes, immediately there must be some prasādam. Engage first-class cook. Spend money; don’t be a miserly. If you have no money, I will pay. So long I am living, I shall go on paying. You don’t be miserly. Bring devotees for eating and then chanting, then cinema, then lecture. In this way you have to develop. Not that people will come, “Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is there, let us go there.” They will not come. What do they know about Hare Kṛṣṇa? They will come, “Oh, there is nice, good prasādam distributed.”Mahāṁśa: Some people I know, they said that yesterday the prasādam was not nice, and there was…Prabhupāda: Not nice—it is not eatable even by the dogs! But you are less than the dogs if you prepare such thing. I was surprised. You allowed a sweeper to cook. I was surprised. We have distribution prasādam, not dog’s food. Such rascals are here. You do not know. I do not wish to discuss anymore on this point. You have murdered the whole thing in two days. Now if possible, bring them, give them first-class prasādam, very palatable. Foodstuff means even one has no appetite, he’ll eat. That is food. Not that even one has got appetite, he’ll forget. That is not food. So do like that, and for money produce, use cane, sugarcane, rice. We shall spend for that. Don’t spoil money, but do like businessman. He invests money, he gets a return. Spend it for Kṛṣṇa. That is wanted. There is no question of becoming a miser. I never did it. When I have got a farthing, I want to spend it, immediately spend. Oh, what I have made this BBT? Immediately fifty percent for printing and fifty percent for spreading this. Why don’t you understand what I want to do? So whatever is done is done; now do it very nicely. I want to see at least 1,000 men coming from the villages. There are 20,000 men here. You cannot attract them?

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Isvara Dasa

Isvara DasaHey Manikar das, you need to reflect before typing, Food for Life was started by Srila Prabhupada in Mayapur.

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Basu Ghosh DasPrabhupada started prasad distribution @ Mayapur, yes, but he NEVER entitled it “Food for Life”. He was opposed to using the word “food”. Instead, he wanted “prasadam distribution”. Mukunda Maharaj coined the term “food for life”, which just reflects a mundane concept of social welfare work (“for life”).

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Basu Ghosh Das

Basu Ghosh DasLetter to: Gurudasa — Honolulu 13 May, 1972You must construct something wonderful. Otherwise, it will be a discredit to you American boys. That will exalt the position of America in India.

And in every temple food distribution must go on profusely with American food supplies. Have the Americans given us the food supplies, is there any tangible donation? Or is it simply promises? If we can supply some proof they have given us such and such amount of foodstuffs, some document, that will help us in all parts of the world as propaganda and for approaching your country’s government in other places for supplying us. So if y u have got such document, kindly send me one copy.

If we open a branch in Madras, actually there are so many poor children there. Spiritual education and food, that is proper. Simply supplying food is nonsense. Spiritual education means just to inject in their ears about our philosophy, externally they chant beads, wear tilak, without any
discrimination of Hindu or Muslim or anything.”

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Basu Ghosh Das

Basu Ghosh DasNotice the words: “in every temple”, and not “everywhere”.

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Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati on mundane welfare

“The thousands of karmis who have opened innumerable hospitals, old age homes, centers for the poor, and schools, and the thousands of jnanis who have undergone meditation and severe austerities, are insignificant compared to a single kanishta-adhikari Vaishnava once ringing the bell before the Lord’s deity. This is not sectarianism, but plain truth. Atheists are wholly incapable of realizing this; thus they become either direct or indirect blasphemers of devotional service, or adherents to the doctrine of harmonistic all-inclusiveness.” (Amrta Vani 102 – 3; Sri Srila Prabhupadera Upadesamrta 174).
“Being averse to Lord Visnu, countless jivas have come to Maha-maya’s dungeon to envy Lord Visnu in countless ways. To deliver teven one of them from Maha-maya’s fortress and make him a devotee of Krsna is unlimitedly better welfare work than the construction of countless hospitals and schools.” (Sri Srila Prabhupadera Upadesamrta 286).
“Krishna-bhakti is the only way to deracinate miseries from the world. You are working only for the good of the body and treating the symptoms, not the original disease. Your patchwork schemes of various social, economic, and political ideologies are like blowing on a boil, which gives but a momentary and false sense of assuagement. The real cure is to lance the boil and squeeze out the pus. Similarly, the pus of material attachment must be excised by the sharp words of the expert devotee, the only genuine well-wisher of human society.” (Jati Sekhara Prabhu, disciple of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura).

Being averse to Lord Viṣṇu, countless jīvas have come to Mahā-māyā’s
dungeon to envy Lord Viṣṇu in countless ways. To deliver even one of
them from Mahā-māyā’s fortress and make him a devotee of Kṛṣṇa is
unlimitedly better welfare work than the construction of countless
hospitals and schools.
The thousands of karmīs who have opened innumerable hospitals, old age
homes, centers for the poor, and schools, and the thousands of jñānīs
who have undergone meditation and severe austerities, are insignificant
compared to a single kaniṣṭha-adhikārī Vaiṣṇava once ringing the bell
before the Lord’s deity. This is not sectarianism, but plain truth.
Atheists are wholly incapable of realizing this; thus they become either
direct or indirect blasphemers of devotional service, or adherents to
the doctrine of harmonistic all-inclusiveness.”

“Some people think that if they contribute, then our way of thinking
should ditto theirs. Yet even if they give everything in the cosmos, we
shall consider it like trash if the absolute truth cannot be wholly
maintained, if we are expected to compromise in lieu of the donation. We
do not want the support of such materialists.
 In 1931 huge floods in Midnapore District destroyed many villages, killed
countless people, and devastated crops and livestock. Famine followed.
The survivors suffered heartrending shortages of rice, cloth, medicine,
and other essential commodities. At that time the Gauḍīya Maṭha was
collecting huge amounts for the upcoming Theistic Exhibition in
Calcutta. This apparently unnecessary extravagence triggered fusillades
of protest from prominent citizens: “Why are you spending for this
exhibition when people need practical help?”
What is bonafide prasadam distribution?
This is a bonafide ad for prasadam. Note the mention of the word ‘prasadam’ and not ‘food’. 
Here devotees are seen with kirtan and prasadam and NOT ONLY prasadam.
Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari Prabhupada Dasa
have u heard all the five lectures on this by Jayadavaita Maharaj?
Because if you would have you would not have asked the question, ‘how can prasadam be mundane?’On my post there is the specific answer, have a look.

Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari As far as the, “everyone in India knows that it’s prasadam” argument is concerned:
No one in India knows that Iskcon’s poor feeding program is prasadam when it is done under different brand names and using vehicles with karmi delivery men who drop off the prasadam at their poor areas to government employees who later give it to the poor.
The cook, the car, the brand name, the food servers none of them are in any shape or form resemble anything Krishna conscious viz., help in complicating to the recipient of the mundane food that it is not mundane food rather prasadam.
So that claim was absolutely misinformed.
On what occasions do the people connect it to ISKCON or Krishna consciousness?
When the iskcon temple feed poor people extra leftover prasadam, which is not only bona fide but also done usually right outside the temple.
This does send a clear message that it is not a regular meal that they are getting.

Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari Seean Cn
The argument, “Some FFL kitchens were dirty”. 
Is not sound since priyavrat Das can show us a hundred kitchen that are clean.
Clean or unclean FFL is bogus because it goes against the siddhanta 
A) by separating prasadam from Sankirtana 
B) and by branding prasadam distribution as poor feeding viz., mundane welfare activity.
This is the main objection.
Of course uncleanliness should be condemned.
But if you take that argument in the public, the FFL fanatics will make it into “hey you are finding our simple faults. You are a bully” and will be milk public support with the “no criticising” argument. Which is the last resort of iskcon-idiots.
Got your back against the wall in a debate on the siddhanta? Let cry vaishnava aparādha!
So when we are dealing with such intellectually challenged so called men and damaged women in iskcon, best keep the arguments straight and strong.
Manikar Das Brahmachari
Manikar Das Brahmachari Vishnujana Dasa 
Now even if they make the prasadam using their own hand as opposed to machines, with love and devotion to Krishna and perfectly offer it Krishna with all the mantras etc and if they take it out from the temple, preaching or the sankirtana parties and send it to some other place for distribution with out kirtan and or lecture it is still disallowed by Prabhupada as evidenced by the letter as well as the various quotes mentioned by Jayadavaita Maharaja and the Mr. Kapadia-Andrapradesh relief committee correspondence of Prabhupada.
The argument that it is cooked in machines is also not too strong for sometimes the devotees also use all kinds of machines and gizmos while making prasadam.

Direct Quotes from Prabhupada’s Books

SB 8.4.13 Although the impersonalist rises to the Brahman effulgence and enters into that effulgence, he has no engagement in the service of the Lord, and therefore he is again attracted to materialistic philanthropic activities. Thus he comes down to open hospitals and educational institutions, feed poor men and perform similar materialistic activities, which the impersonalist thinks are more precious than serving the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Anādṛta-yuṣmad-aṅghrayaḥ. The impersonalists do not think that the service of the Lord is more valuable than serving the poor man or starting a school or hospital.

“Acts of sense gratification may be performed under the cover of public welfare, nationalism, religion, altruism, ethical codes, Biblical codes, health directives, fruitive action, bashfulness, tolerance, personal comfort, liberation from material bondage, progress, family affection or fear of social ostracism or legal punishment, but all these categories are different subdivisions of one substance — sense gratification. All such good acts are performed basically for one’s own sense gratification, for no one can sacrifice his personal interest while discharging these much-advertised moral and religious principles. ”

http://www.vedabase.com/en/cc/adi/4/165

The feeling which you had by becoming compassionate to the fallen bum is very good, but the best way to deliver a bum is to revive his dormant Krishna Consciousness. If you can do that then give the bums good food and shelter. If you cannot do that, then simple supplying food and shelter, is serving the Maya. But there is no benefit to serving Maya, as you know, as it is all false, temporary or illusion. We are concerned with Reality, not Maya, and that should be the object of life.

Prabhupada’s letter to: Mrinaline

Vrindaban

27 August, 1967

67-08-27

Sarvapoma Das(ACBSP) speaks against FFL

Governments recognize our devotional service to be on the mundane platform by giving us a Humanitarian Award

https://ffl.org/tag/rupa/
Posted on May 19, 2012 by fflv Food for Life Vrindavan is excited to share with you that our director, Rupa Raghunath Das[SivaramSwami disc.] has been awarded Human Achievers Award for the year 2012 by the Human Achievers foundation in India. The award was given based on the revolutionary work Rupa Raghunath has done in the field of empowering women and children of the Braj area, transcending racial, national and religious barriers. Human Achievers foundation felicitate Ambassador individuals, whose lives exemplify the ideal of living for the sake of others, and who dedicate themselves to practices which promote universal moral values, strong family life, […]

A list of our noble great leaders who shamelessly promote this mundane welfare in the name of bhakti despite all evidences

Bhakti comes from not being a fool. Fools can’t understand the simple teachings of Prabhupada. How can they lead us if they can’t understand a simple thing like this?

Gopala Krishna Goswami promotes FFL

Taken from his own webpage www.gkgoffice.com/Biography.aspx
, where he promotes mundane welfare given the fact that his own god brother, Jayadvaita Maharaj denounces Food For Life in a seminar in 2001.

Inspired by Srila Prabhupada’s instruction given to his disciples in 1974 that, “no one within ten miles radius of the temple should go hungry. I want you to immediately begin serving food”, ISKCON centers distribute sumptuous Krishna prasadam on daily basis, as also on festivals. Besides, many ISKCON centers such as Mumbai and Delhi, are actively taken up to Mid-day Meal Program of the Government as a medium to distribute Krishna prasadam.

ISKCON, Delhi Mid-day Meal program is at the moment serving a staggering 1,75,000 meals everyday, feeding hungry children of Delhi, Noida, Faridabad and Kurukshetra. Very soon, the adjoining areas and cities would be covered under the scheme. United Nations – World Food Program has appreciated this noble program and has agreed to provide technical assistance. The Government of India also acknowledges these noble efforts and the State Governments all around want to expand this project to other cities of their respective States.

Some more of his “poor feeding” support.

http://www.iskconmumbai.com/hot-meals-for-150000-underprivilaged-on-makar-sankranti/#more-7953

Bhakti Caru Swami promotes FFL

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Apart from this, we reinstated the Food Life Program to feed the needy and poor of our community in 2012. The School project was initiated thisyear as well. We are involved in a lot of community service projects. Some of our projects are- Food for Life, Goshala, De-Addiction Campaign/ Re-habilitation program, ISKCON Pride of Ujjain Award which is given to a person or organization who is contributing significantly in the field of social work, and Bhaktivedanta Meditation Center for the welfare of Policemen as they work under great stress etc. http://www.bhakticharuswami.com/projects/

Bhakti Vaibhava Swami promotes FFL

Earlier in his spiritual career, he produced films on Indian culture for German audiences that helped to promote Food For Life (ISKCON’s sacred food distribution initiative).

Bhakti Dhira Damodar Swami promotes FFL

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/07-07/editorials1778.htm

In 2006 I maintained our two regular nama-hatta centers and established a regular Food for Life program to feed the needy in many places in Lagos, Nigeria.

GBC Promotes FFL

http://gbc.iskcon.org/2012/03/18/1995/

61. P.R. Issues VI-4

3) Wherever possible every temple shall form an advisory board according to the guidelines established by the ISKCON Foundation. Some of the important
advisory board functions include:

a. Monthly meetings to understand the needs, concerns and interests of the greater ISKCON community and local congregation.
b. To improve the quality and effect of the newsletter, temple programs and other outreach programs including the congregational preaching, festivals, Food for Life programs, educational programs and all preaching.
c. To discuss confidentially the detractors and come up with goals and strategies to better to deal with reputation mangement and to empower the advisory board members to work with the greater community on behalf of ISKCON.

Kavichandra Swami promotes FFL

http://www.iskcondesiretree.com/photo/prasad-distribution-food-for-life-at-tokyo-with-hh-kavichandra-sw

Ramai Swami

http://www.ramaiswami.com/food-for-life/

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Bhakti Narasimha Swami promotes FFL

Food for life with Bhakti narasimha swami at Nyanga Cape Town

Sivaram Swami promotes FFL

http://www.sivaramaswami.com/en/tag/food-for-life/

Fully mundane welfare associating with Christmas, new low for mundane welfare enthusiasts

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Sivarama Swami’s FFL project

No one wears a tilak at this FFL

Women distribute so called prasadam with their hair all open. No tilak
Here there are two men serving prasadam with jeans…who knows who they are.

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Iskcon Ahmedabad promotes FFL

http://iskconahmedabad.org/activities/

Bhakti Vijnana Goswami promotes FFL

http://old.themoscowtimes.com/arts_n_ideas/article/tmt/359195.html/

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Q:What sorts of charitable works are the Hare Krishnas involved in?
Bhakti Vijnana Goswami A: We are very active. We have a mission called Hare Krishna Food for Life which is active all over the world, and in Russia since 1988. That year, even before any temples were built, we were recognized by the government, and just after that a terrible earthquake hit Armenia. The first thing we did was supply food relief to the victims. Then, of course, there was the war in Abkhazia … where we fed people for five years, supplying millions and millions of plates of hot vegetarian food. We were the first nongovernmental charitable organization to go into Chechnya, in March 1995. We stayed for 18 months, until the Chechen rebels took Grozny, at which time one of our volunteers was killed. Today, we have branches of Food for Life in many cities.

Caitanya Charan Das (ACBSP) Proudly Reads FFL Report at Prabhupada’s Vyasa Puja

“Next door there is a meeting. The Food for Life devotees have just done a massive, six-ton distribution of potatoes in Budapest to the poor and needy. It went down really well—so much favorable media coverage. They are making plans to distribute big quantities of food in the future. Yesterday they were in the city looking at a site where they could set up a kitchen area to run the project from, and where they could also open a small restaurant for the students that attend the college next door.” 1995 New Vraja Dhama, Hungary

Prabhupāda: Why you are anxious about the animals being starvation? You take care of yourself. You don’t be philanthropic, “Oh, they’ll starve. Let me eat.” What is this philanthropy? Kṛṣṇa is supplying food. If he dies out of starvation, it is Kṛṣṇa’s responsibility. Nobody dies of starvation. That is a false theory. Have you seen any animal dying of starvation? Have you got any experience? Have you seen any bird died of starvation? There is no question of starvation in the kingdom of God. We are manufacturing these theories for our own satisfaction, sense satisfaction. There is no question of starvation in the law of God. Elephant eats hundred pounds at a time. Who is supplying foodstuff? There are millions of elephants in the African jungle, in Indian jungles. They require one hundred pounds at a time to eat. Who is supplying food? So there is no question of starvation in the kingdom of God. Starvation is for the so-called civilized men. Lecture on BG 3.11-19 — Los Angeles, December 27, 1968:

Lecture on BG 7.1-3 — Stockholm, September 10, 1973: No, that is also your misconception. Human bodies increasing may think that from evolutionary process they are coming to the human body. But they are not going to be liberated. Therefore we see that human, congestion of human body. You can explain like that. But even there is increase of population of human body, there is no problem if you believe in God. That is another thing. But if you think that you have taken the responsibility of feeding them, that is another thing..

Here Prabhupada simply states about feeding prasadam but as seen earlier Prabhupada clarifies his position on feeding prasadam with kirtan or katha. So “distribute prasadam” has been defined elsewhere, may not be here in these quotes here. Now to take these quotes out of context and then justify the big leader’s deviation would be cheating.

No. Temple worship means you must distribute prasadam… You should… To the poor. Everyone is poor. Not that the rich man is not poor. Actually I have seen one rich man, he was coming for asking some prasadam. In my, before when I taking, when I was grhastha, I was going in so many temples, asking for some prasadam. That’s a long history. So there is no question of, if one is financially poor, he should come to the temple.

So paratma-nistham. The sannyasi should worship the Deity in the temple and feed the poor. Poor does not mean that one who has no legs, no ears, or no… Poor… Everyone who is spiritually poor, he should be given prasadam. By eating, prasade sarva-duhkhanam hanir asyopajayate. That is called paramatma-nistham. Yajna. It is called yajna-sistasino santo mucyante sarva-kilbisaih. It is not poor-feeding. It is distributing the resultant action of yajna. This worship is yajna. So yajna-sistasino… If you feed some men, not the so-called poor, everyone, then they’ll be freed from their sinful activities.

Food For Life Head Paul Rodney Turner Includes Wife’s Animal Rights Nonsense into his FFL Nonsense

https://ffl.org/get-involved/julianas-animal-sanctary/

Basu Ghosh Pr. Smashes Mundane Poor Feeding AGAIN!

Basu Ghosh Das
Basu Ghosh Das For example, feeding children mid-day meals, according to our Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada is nonsense!

 

Basu Ghosh Das
Basu Ghosh Das And yet within and without ISKCON, there is massive propaganda that doing so is benefiting thousands of hungry children.

 

Basu Ghosh Das
Basu Ghosh Das Much money is being raised in the name of mid-day meals, both in India, and worldwide, by devotees within and without ISKCON.

 

Basu Ghosh Das
Basu Ghosh Das Here is the proof that it is nonsense

 

Basu Ghosh Das
Basu Ghosh Das Similarly, regarding the position of women in society, here is what Prabhupada taught:Bhagavad-gita chapter/adhyaya 16. shloka/verse 7

pravṛttiṁ ca nivṛttiṁ ca
janā na vidur āsurāḥ
na śaucaṁ nāpi cācāro
na satyaṁ teṣu vidyate

Synonyms:

pravṛttim — acting properly; ca — also; nivṛttim — not acting improperly; ca — and; janāḥ — persons; na — never; viduḥ — know; āsurāḥ — of demoniac quality; na — never; śaucam — cleanliness; na — nor; api — also; ca — and; ācāraḥ — behavior; na — never; satyam — truth; teṣu — in them; vidyate — there is.

Translation:

Those who are demoniac do not know what is to be done and what is not to be done. Neither cleanliness nor proper behavior nor truth is found in them.

Purport:

In every civilized human society there is some set of scriptural rules and regulations which is followed from the beginning. Especially among the Āryans, those who adopt the Vedic civilization and who are known as the most advanced civilized peoples, those who do not follow the scriptural injunctions are supposed to be demons. Therefore it is stated here that the demons do not know the scriptural rules, nor do they have any inclination to follow them. Most of them do not know them, and even if some of them know, they have not the tendency to follow them. They have no faith, nor are they willing to act in terms of the Vedic injunctions. The demons are not clean, either externally or internally. One should always be careful to keep his body clean by bathing, brushing teeth, shaving, changing clothes, etc. As far as internal cleanliness is concerned, one should always remember the holy names of God and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. The demons neither like nor follow all these rules for external and internal cleanliness.

As for behavior, there are many rules and regulations guiding human behavior, such as the Manu-saṁhitā, which is the law of the human race. Even up to today, those who are Hindu follow the Manu-saṁhitā. Laws of inheritance and other legalities are derived from this book. Now, in the Manu-saṁhitā it is clearly stated that a woman should not be given freedom. That does not mean that women are to be kept as slaves, but they are like children. Children are not given freedom, but that does not mean that they are kept as slaves. The demons have now neglected such injunctions, and they think that women should be given as much freedom as men. However, this has not improved the social condition of the world. Actually, a woman should be given protection at every stage of life. She should be given protection by the father in her younger days, by the husband in her youth, and by the grownup sons in her old age. This is proper social behavior according to the Manu-saṁhitā. But modern education has artificially devised a puffed-up concept of womanly life, and therefore marriage is practically now an imagination in human society. The social condition of women is thus not very good now, although those who are married are in a better condition than those who are proclaiming their so-called freedom. The demons, therefore, do not accept any instruction which is good for society, and because they do not follow the experience of great sages and the rules and regulations laid down by the sages, the social condition of the demoniac people is very miserable.

 

Basu Ghosh Das
Basu Ghosh Das If you don’t agree, stop calling yourself his follower. Thanks.

Bhakti Rasayana Sagar Swami Supports Apasiddhanta Called Food For Life

A.Naryshkin– We have other sources of pleasure. We sublimating this energy doing beneficial activities for others and for God’s service.

A.Naryshkin– For example?

B-R-C-S.Maharaja– One of these activities fairly well-known, is a charity feeding the needy on a large scale. This program is called “Food for Life”.

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