you have to now mix mundane food distribution with feminism. First of all it was an injury then on top it has become an insult.
Who we can partially blame is the misleader* Rupa Raghunatha Das (Sivaram Swami dis.) This whole FFL Vrindavan and it’s girl child education is his doing.
Should girls be married at a young age in the21st century?
1. Only after through molding and education. Molding means that with care and sensitivity a girl is trained as a girl. It is never a rough training with austerities that a boy is trained with. nityaṁ paryacarat prītyā always serve husband with prityā i.e. love. SB 3.23.1 is the purpose of a girl’s training.
2. The boys must be taught how to sensitive to the needs the wife. This will ensure non-prostitution in iskcon. ‘non-prostitution’ = non divorce
3. The boy and girl should stay initially at their parents homes where the parents could give them practical advice as to how grihastashrama is to be handled.
4. The parents or the temple president should choose a boy for the girl using the science of astrology in what ever reasonably degraded or not so degraded form it is out there.
5. This all is possible if the temple president is not a fool.
6. A marriage board is to be formed in the temple.
7. The temple president and the marriage board members should hear many lectures on the nature of women and men, and hear lectures on grihasta ashrama by Bhakti Vidya Purna Maharaja.
8. Bhakti Vidya Purna Maharaja’s lectures are the key to help solve iskcon’s marriage problems.
Evidences from their website:
Muni, Seema, Sita, and many more
like them of 8 to 13 years of age all married, when asked if they are happy
being married they replied: “our parents are.” Early marriage robs a girl of
the opportunity for full physical, emotional and psychological development. http://fflvrindavan.org/en/?p=751Next day, we celebrated another
birthday – A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, the founder of the
International Society for Krishna Consciousness, was born on the day after
Janmasthami, in Calcutta, in 1896. He died in Vrindavan in 1977, aged 81. H.H.
Radha-Govinda Swami maharaj visited the school and spoke to the children about
Prabhupada’s life and achievements. Prabhupada started Food for Life, a food
distribution program, in 1972, and it remains an important activity for the
International Society for Krishna Consciousness today. Sandipani Muni School
developed from the Food for Life program that was started in Vrindavan in 1990.
Phoola from Sundrakh Village, about
3 km from Vrindavan, was taken out of school in 2004. She was 13. When we heard
that she was getting married we informed the police and they stopped the
marriage. Two months later I saw her in her village and I asked her if she was
married, shyly, with her head down she said “Yes”.
We hold parents’ meetings to impress
upon them the importance of educating their daughters. When we admit children,
we have the parents to sign a paper that states they will not marry their
daughter until she is 18. But the deep-rooted attachment to child marriage is
very hard for these poor parents to break! It has been their custom for many
generations and transformation will take time.
if you are inclined to make your own daughter in to a “society girl”.
Society girl is a polite phrase meaning- prostitute. Then do it. Don’t preach
prostitution to the innocent traditional Indian families.
Subhaga Maharaja Pastime:
festivals, seva, etc all devotees in the temple woke up late and so did Subhaga
Maharaja an indian bodied devotee. Prabhupada observed this and corrected him
by saying that he is to learn the philosophy from Prabhupada’s western
disciples but he is to follow the culture that his parents taught him.
http://fflvrindavan.org/en/?page_id=786 Our motive is to make these girls
feel confident and powerful to face the world after they finish their
When she learns to walk and talk she
is considered mature enough to be able to look after her younger brother. She
helps her mother in the kitchen washing dishes all day and running errands. When
she attains puberty, she becomes a burden to her parents who try tomarry her
She bears children even before she
is mentally or physically mature enough.
explanation by SP about the proper ages for a girl to get pregnant and produce
children. They don’t know this knowledge coming from SP they have more faith in
the western educated doctors who tell us when a girl a fit for pregnancy using
their mundane tests. I say they don’t use mundane tests they are under orders
from political forces to broadcast that the girls should married at a later age
when they have become seasoned prostitutes.
Here is a quote from Prabhupada:
childhood age, my sisters were married between nine to twelve years. My eldest
sister was married when she was nine years old, before my birth. She is the
eldest. And my second sister was married at the age of twelve, twelve years.
And my third sister was married at the age of (indistinct) years. So by the
(indistinct) years, the marriage must be finished. That was the duty of the
father. I remember, because my second sister was going twelve years, my mother
said to my father that “I shall go to the river and commit suicide. The
daughter is not married.” (laughter) You see. The father was very sorry,
“Yes, I am trying. What can I do?” (laughter) And then next
generation, when my… I was also married man, you know. I was married when my
wife was only eleven years old. And at the age of fourteen years she gave birth
to first child. And next generation, when my eldest daughter was married at the
age of sixteen years–it is little increased–but I was also very much upset
that the daughter is sixteen years old.
Los Angeles, May 13, 1973]
to a child.
would live separately, though, until they grew older.
is twelve, fourteen. She must be pub…, be puberty period. Then…
who they are married to.
at that time eleven years. So she came to live at the age of thirteen years,
and at fourteen years she gave birth to a child.
Prabhupada, when you…
you got married?
were living separately. When she was thirteen years old, after puberty, then
she was at… But there are many mothers still–the difference between the
child, first child, and mother, twelve years. There are many mothers. At twelve
years they gave birth to a child, especially in Bengal.
considered very horrible.
married within twelve years. My second sister, she became twelve years, and I
heard my mother become so disturbed: “Oh, this girl is not being married.
I shall commit suicide.” (laughter)
was given to a boy, my brother-in-law, for the second marriage. Means that my
brother-in-law lost his first wife, and still, he was twenty-one years old. My
sister was twelve years old and brother-in-law was twenty-one. In the sastra…
I do not know exactly what is that sastra, but they say that if the girl before
marriage has menstruation, then the father has to eat that menstrual liquid.
Means it is, mean, very strict. And if the father is not living, then the elder
brother has to eat. (break) …ty of getting the girl married rests on the
father. In the absence of the father, the eldest brother. The girl must be
married. That is it. It is called daya, kanya-daya.
years. I was 22 years.
eleven years’ girl.
allowed to have sex life at fourteen years old.
psychological. They develop… Sex life, sex urge is there as soon as twelve
years, thirteen years old, especially women. So therefore early marriage was
sanctioned in India. Early marriage. Boy fifteen years, sixteen years, and girl
twelve years. Not twelve years, ten years. I was married, my wife was eleven
years. I was 22 years. She did not know what is sex, eleven years’ girl.
Because Indian girls, they have no such opportunity of mixing with others. But
after the first menstruation, the husband is ready. This is the system, Indian
The worst thing is that this Swami cannot see that apasiddhanta that is at play in this project.
distinguish matter from spirit that is one thing. What more are to expect from 21st century members of iskcon? But from Radha Govinda Swami, an Indian born person, we expected
more from him. It is odd that an Indian devotee who understands the importance of early marriage and keeping the girls at home should even grace such a place with
his presence. Radha Govinda Swami is supposed to be pro-varna ashrama and yet
he is seen here speaking to a karm girls’ school in vrindavana. Now, I doubt if
Radha Govinda Swami ever spoke against this system in his lecture there.
Here is the person’s page
Here Rupa Raghunatha Dasa fails to understand who is a brajavasi and calls the people born in the geographic location of braj as brajvasis.
Please describe yourself so that other like minded devotees can find you.I just like to serve the brajabasi and the devotees.
Here Rupa Raghunatha Dasa is preaching about his FFL nonsense on iskcon desire tree.
What are your expectations from this community?just give us a chance to let devotees know that FFLV offer opportunity for service while in Vrindavan.