Krishna West Follower Smashed

Some poor soul drifted along to our comments section on youtube. He thinks Hridayananda Maharaj is a paramhamsa. The old iskcon formula – tag the deviant guru as paramhamsa and then you get mental peace no matter what he does or what theory he invents. And when anyone objects to your guru give him the “he’s paramhamsa you wont understand” excuse.

These comments were made here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIQTpiRBrSU

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Steve Purdy2 weeks ago

Thank you again Prabhu.the material world is full of faults isn’t it? I have just seen some more of mine.Fortunately we are not the controllers and Lord Krishna is.Prabhupada had disagreements with his God brothers but he turned out to be the one who did the most.I am not saying anyone is equal to Prabhupada but am trying to say shall we admit we cant see it all ourselves and see what happens? all glories to all Prabhupadas disciples and there sincere efforts dispite the differences and disagreements your aspiring servant bk steve… thank you for being mine… revealed in reflection dear Prabhu…

Manikar Das Brahmachari 

This is not about his private habits. He has gone against the scriptures and against the Acharyas on the Draupadi vastra haran matter. This itself makes him a fallen person caring not for the fact that he does not chant hare Krishna Mahamantra.
Ping pong games, dislike for dhotis, etc are relatively trivial matters.Understand our position- The objections we raise are not against Hridayananda Maharaj’s private or sexual or sensual deviations but against his malinterpretations and philosophical deviations. About his private life we have hardly anything to say.

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Thank you Prabhu I see a lot by Krishnas mercy in your coments,please excuse my criticism and may Lord Gauranga deliver us both by whatever ashram that is needed from this material world including programs like Krishna West! Hridayananda Maharaj is a Paramahamsa and is using whatever material means needed to try and deliver the western countries from impersonalism and voidism.i hope we can all realise the higher goal he is trying to achieve for Srila Prabhupada!!! lets help him and the more conservative Sanyasis both alike and see what works In this highest ultimate goal of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada!!! ys

Manikar Das Brahmachari 

Which paramhamsa has ever played table tennis games in public with other men’s wives?
Which paramhamsa has denied Draupadi vastra haran kand?
Which paramhamsa has called Badri Narayan Maharaja, ‘Poison’?
Which paramhamsa has called for giving some recognition to gay monogamous relationships?
Which paramhamsa hamsa had lesbian disciples? [who he knows are living together in a room (Yasoda Priya Dasi & Anna (aspiring from HDG), Denver, Colorado)]
Which paramhamsa has ever said, “if Prabhupada was here I would have convinced him of my views”
Bhaktivinoda encouraged to chant loudly and Prabhupada never himself chanted in the mind (his 16 rounds) so who is he following?

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by the way our position is if three things are not altered the institution the philosophy and the principles then a Paramahamsa can adjust all minor details according to time place and circumstance to propagate the sankirtan movement which is the point after all. Lord Chaitanya did this Srila Bhaktivinoda did this Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati did this and Srila Prabhupada did this… Have you read Hridayananda Maharajas book on the Gita? Have you watched his Krishna west Israel lecture series? Please look past the externals and try and understand the situation from a deeper perspective.the strict conservative external approach is not working and hasnt in a big way for a long time.its not the sixties/seventies anymore and we need to fullfill Srila Prabhupadas mission by whatever will work inside the actual internal structure he gave us and show compassion to those who may be put off by our Cultural Chauvanism! I very much respect your dedication to your Guru and i am sure that serves you well but please try to understand and stop working against Prabhupadas real mission in whatever external temporary form it comes in and please let Hg Hridayananda maharaja try and get the job done. This is my last attempt at reason please enquire for yourself from the appropriate listed sources and see what Krishna arranges for you… ys

Manikar Das Brahmachari 

“External temporary” “get the job done” that’s OK for wearing shorts what about rejecting the opinions of the acharyas and the Mahabharata on Draupadi vastra haran kanda? Every child in India has heard of it. This is not paramhamsa behavior this is atheism.

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🙂 Can you back those statements with actual Philosophy? ys

Manikar Das Brahmachari 

Read Mahabharata and folio search Draupadi u wil find it besides No acharya has denied this from the Mahabharata, only hridayananda maharja is that exceptional person. And he called himself acharya deva.
Backup 2+2 = 4 with actual philosophy? it’s clear if you study the basis of mathematics so is all the above if you study Prabhupada’s books etc with intelligence.
I should have asked you this first before replying to anything you said, “do you believe hridayananda maharja chants in the mind or have you seen him chant in the mind” If the answer is yes then a lot of time as been wasted in indulging you as with Cyril Wohrer.

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I can see you love the details Prabhu try for the bigger picture.i have not seen Hridayananda Maharaja chant but I have seen one of my god brothers who is a Nitya Sidha stop chanting externally  when he associates with Krishna through the holy name (not to be imitated or perhaps even understood by lesser Devotees like us) many devotees made mistakes in regards to title in the 80s 90s and the Gbc rectified this… my Spiritual Master (who shall remain nameless as I don’t want him being offended by some misunderstanding black and white world view fanatical Devotee on the internet) says that Spiritual advancement is an inside Job and offending senior Devotees who are sincerely trying to serve Prabhupadas mission will only hamper our own spiritual life. Please watch with an open mind the resources I have previously listed and try to lift yourself (by Guru and Krishnas mercy) out of your own spiritual rut. Stop offending Devotees who are more advanced out of envy and attachment to external temporary details as the only one who will suffer is you. Maya doesn’t need help from Devotees in hampering the preaching mission over the net. if you need a second opinion I humbly invite you to show these conversations between us for clarification by your Spiritual master not your own mind.i have to go on Book dist now on this most Auspicious appearance day of our Lord Gauranga! I sincerely hope this finds you well and willing to listen,as they say you can lead a man to reason but you cant make him think(more clearly) Hare Krishna your aspiring servant bk steve

Manikar Das Brahmachari 

“I have seen a God brother stop chant externally” this is the justification for hridya Maharaja’s not chanting?
We are being asked to be more reasonable when questioning hridayananda Maharaja’s rejection of Draupadi vastra haran kanda?
How will your guru or any sane person be disturbed if we ask about Draupadi vastra haran kanda’s faults that make it so unacceptable?
Do you understand the logic of your statements?
A person who is on the level of mental chanting has that much of purity to understand the scriptures in regards to Mahabharata, etc.
Hridayananda Maharaja thinks women should be addressed as Prabhu, female diksha gurus should be allowed, Draupadi vastra haran never took place(refer to his conversations in Germany). H-Maharaj is the last person on earth who we should assume to be so divine.
Why? Sadbe pare ca nishnatam is a qualification of a guru.
Thus, who ever your master is reject him if he agrees with HM. I’m guessing Bir Krishna or Saci swami, right?

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Steve Purdy 

goodbye Prabhu all the best I have tried mine and need to get on with my service ys

Manikar Das Brahmachari 

It’s not a matter of argument. We are giving you facts. He has indeed said all those things.
Forgot to add: attended gay marriage.
Has atleast two confirmed disciples who are lesbians who he knows what they are and he still gave them initiation and they live together.
There is no animosity here in these facts.

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Facts as YOU put it can be misinterpreted and used as weapons if the actual Philosophy behind them isn’t properly understood. I would very much like to see Hridayananda Maharaj debate these “facts” with you for clarification and (if the humble position is taken) rectification. Should a sincere soul who has the Karma to be Gay and in a relationship be denied the right to go back to godhead if they follow the four regs and other principles of Bhakti? I know that gay marriage is a controversial point but we need to look beyond the externals and at the real point which is to give any sincere soul the right to go back to godhead no matter what there temporary external karmic situation maybe,this is true compassion.I have not heard one sound Philosophical argument from you Prabhu and I have heard many from Hridayananda maharaja that defute your so called “facts” It is my understanding that you are missing the point of what the Sankirtan movement is all about and are hiding your own spiritual problems behind a misinformed attack on anything outside your own limited understanding.please note I say this strongly but with compassion for your current situation and do not say these things for any reason other than your personal spiritual benefit and the benefit of others who maybe mislead by your baseless attacks on Hridayananda Maharaja and his sincere efforts to preach Prabhupadas mission according to time place and circumstance…

Manikar Das Brahmachari 

Draupadi vastra haran kanda happened because Mahabharata says so.
Mahabharata is not faulty or currupt or missing in sloka etc.
Tell him to refute the above.
Let’s start there.
Person declaring the scriptures (esp. something like the Mahabharata which has the gita init as opposed to say Skanda Purana (which has no commentary by the achrayas)) to be faulty is an atheist.
Accn. to Manu he must be excommunicated and marked as an atheist.
What is ‘time place circumstance’ about rejecting Mahabharata’s stories?

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Did you know that the Mahabharata was a mostly oral tradition and has degraded along with the kali yuga? People in previous ages could pass it down intact but it has been distorted by the onset of this current age please listen to Hridayananda Maharajas Mahabharata lecture series for clarification he explains the actual philosophy and backs it up with Shastra! perhaps you could start there… ys

Manikar Das Brahmachari 

Which shahstra or which of the acharyas of the four schools of vaishnavism have said that Mahabharata is distorted?
Knowledge is distorted like in some part of ayurveda or dhanurveda may be or Bhavishya Purana perhaps Skanda Purana.
But Mahabharata has been deemed fully distorted by which acharya?
And to ask specifically in the case of Draupadi vastra haran kanda, which acharya or shahstra sloka told him that it’s a distorted?
Which Prabhupada letter or conversation if not purport says Mahabharata is distorted?

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Steve Purdy 

I don’t know Prabhu I’m no expert 🙂 I’m just trying to point you in another direction.all I can see is that by my admittedly limited understanding Hridayananda Maharaj is way ahead in his  understanding of the Shastra and Philosophy so why not research it yourself rather than just blaspheming him on the net.thats the point I want to make but free will is absolute! thank Govinda 😉 ys

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and that was the point where we cared not to reply to this person. yasya nasti svayam prajnaya shashtram tasta karoti kim For he who has not his own intelligence, what will he do with the scriptures?

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