A detailed analysis without any speculation
Krisztina Danka Krishna Lila Dasi his personal secretary for 15 year and travelled with him to India…
Fully supports sordid cesspool Bhaktivedanta College
Demigod Worship in his Hungarian Farm?
Sivaram Swami and a girl sitting so close ???
Gave 5000€ to Dina Sharan Dasi for her to lead Iskcon-Germany
On Dina Sharana’s way out, Hungarian GBC Sivarama Swami followed her and asked her to explain her plan for Germany in more detail. After she had spent the next two hours doing so, he said, “I want to support you,” and gave her a donation of 5,000 Euro. The GBC body matched it, giving her another 5,000 Euro from their budget. It was only a drop in the ocean of Germany’s debt, but it made Dina Sharana feel that the GBC had heard her, that they were supporting her and trying to help.
Allows for women to sing for men on his Hungarian farm
This woman is modern kirtaniya Madhava’s wife. Madhva is the least harmless of the sahajiya class, atleast he chants 16 rounds daily.
Allows “modern” Jahnavi Harrison, an unchaste girl who collaborates with mayavadi rascal Krishna Das to lead kirtan for newcomers
At least she could cover her head, etc, no, that “modern iskcon singers” don’t do…
Sivaram Maharaj should note that varna ashrama does not stop at purchasing a big farm to grow organic carrots on and milking a few non-gen-mod cows and living away from the city. All brothels in Nevada are away from cities and are placed in the quite dusty Nevada country side. Are they varna ashrama institutes meant for taking souls back to Krishna?
Varna ashrama means values. It has strict rules that separate women and men. Maharaj is allowing this woman to sing like this in front of men and on top he is happily singing along with her. This is insult to injury. When the audience consists of both males and females it is not conducive to the chastity or shyness of women if they are made to sing.
For women to sing in front of men is a shameless act, for men to hear her is a shameless act and the worst of shameless acts is to justify these shameless acts using ‘Prabhupada said’. Of course, for the shameless what is the meaning of the word
‘chastity’ or ‘brahmacharya’? Varna ashrama, which Prabhupada ordered we follow, has many restrictions on mixing of men and women which our fellow iskcon members’ modern yavana sensibilities find irritating.
You want your sister or daughter to be put on display like this?
Do you want your son or nephew to be hearing a woman sing?
How will it promote brahmacharya in your son?
How will the shyness and dignity of your daughter be maintained when a room full of men scan her body all in the name of Harinam Sankirtana?
What should be done? Should men close their eyes and listen to the woman’s kirtan?
Thus it is unfair to the men in the audience and to the woman who is singing on stage.
Iskcon Diksha Guru & Tridandi Sannyassi of the Brama
Sampradaya His Holiness Sivaram Swami Maharaj has failed to understand this and
has promoted this unchaste behavior by his presence and participation in the
kirtan. If he was not able to stop it then he should have spoken something
against it and or at least walked away from the site. But him lending his voice
in the chorus is adding insult to injury.
Whose fault is it? Sivarama Maharaja’s or Harrison’s?
Women are less intelligent. Men not. So if a woman asks for poison and if the man gives it, who is at fault? Not the woman. So it is Sivarama Maharaj’s fault here.
FYI, the woman singer is Jhanavi Harrison, the daughter of Kripamoya Das. He is a Prabhupada disciple, iskcon diksha guru and a very important leader in Iskcon England and also (atleast in this matter) ignorant of vedic culture. He has another daughter Tulsi Nadia Sutaria who acts similarly but is not as famous as her sister.
Of all the women Sivaram Maharaj could pick to sing along, he picked Jhanavi, she sings along with sexual deviated mayavadis-cum-sahajiyas such as Wah!, Jai Uttal, Krishna Das and iskcon’s inhouse sahajiyas the Mayapuris.
- But the girl is singing the Hare Krsna Mahamantra, so it’s spiritual, it must be ok for men to hear and see her sing?
- So there are two things in her songs: a) the mahamantra b) the female voice, (a man is not allowed to hear a woman sing)
You are not on the platform of going beyond the material side of spiritual objects and experiencing only the spiritual potency.
E.g. If you constantly eat a lot of sweet prasadam you will get caries and diabetes because there is a material side to prasadam and you are not on the level of a pure devotee that you only partake in the spiritual side of prasadam. It is not that the prasadam will magically protect your teeth and will magically make your body release insulin in its blood stream to compensate for the increased sugar levels. This won’t happen.
E.g. If the singer is not having a good voice you wont like the chanting of Krishna’s because you are still having the tendency to enjoy “good music” and a “good voice”. You are not perfectly and fully taking and tasting only the spiritual side of the chanting of Krishna’s names you are also enjoying the material side of things.
These are simple things to understand. Only a complete moron(as Hridayananda Maharaj likes to call iskcon people) or a cheater would deny these facts.
Even if you are a paramhamsa(an absolutely great devotee of Krishna), you are not to act on it, at least in public. Which Sivaram Maharaj himself teaches us in the ‘Calling women Prabhu’ audio blog
- It’s ok, she is singing in front of new comers?
- Iskcon is supposed to maintain high standards for the new comers to see. Any sane gentleman, from any race will appreciate this. What is the first impression that a new woman gets when she comes to iskcon? That it is ok to sing in front of men.
Prabhupada in the beginning did encourage women to have an outgoing role but he later ordered to instill varna ashrama norms seeing the high rate of fall downs in iskcon and relying on eternal vaishnava teachings. All the women who Prabhupada encouraged, we will not mention names here, are currently divorced or are on their second or third marriage. Of course, SP expected them to behave like chaste wives and be on the transcendental platform, which they failed to be on and hence SP demanded VAshrama. https://vediciskcon.wordpress.com/sp-demanded-varnashrama/
Another wayward female disciple that Sivarama Swami has empowered (with at least his silence)
From 1997 till 2004 she served as a manager in New Vraja Dhāma responsible for tourism, VIP guests, the Deity department and festivals, and helped in developing the farm community. She has also been a part time teacher at the Bhaktivedanta College in Budapest since 2001 teaching Deity Worship, and after getting a BA in Vaisnava Theology and an MA in Religious Studies she joined the College staff full-time in 2010. Presently she is teaching Sanskrit, World Religions, Guru-tattva, Bhagavat-tattva and The Lives of our Ācāryas courses
See her pic here http://www.srsbooks.com/storage/manjed.jpg
In vedic culture or varna ashrama a woman has her place as a teacher. She is the teacher of her male children when they are in the house upto the age of 5. So she does teach men upto the age of 5.
For the female children, the mother can be a life long teacher, she can teach them many things including Prabhupada’s books.
But now to take that to the public space, in a modern western way by making her a college teacher – this is not vedic culture, this is not in pursuance of the rules of varna ashrama.
A woman is supposed to be chaste and shy.
How will she be chaste if the male students look at her face for a 40 minute lecture day in and day out?
How will she be shy if she has to look the male students and speak in that lecture?
Thus this is a contradiction of the laws of varna ashrama which Prabhupada said we must instill in iskcon and subsequently throughout the rest of the world, calling it his ‘50% of the remaining task’.
Female disciple taking a male role as a preacher and freely interacts with karmi men
Nominated in category: Overall ISKCON Contribution
ISKCON Temple (name/place): Krishna Valley
Name of the Spiritual Master: Sivarama Swami
Number of years that he/she has been doing this service: 8
Date and place of his/her joining ISKCON movement: 1991, Pecs, Hungary
Description of his/her services in the nominated category: Kundalata devi dasi is the head of tourism and thus she is responsible for bringing 20.000 tourists to Krishna Valley. Her honest, selfless and inspiring service gives strength to Krishna Valley’s outreach and helps the devotees around the country by giving people a wonderful impression about Krishna consciousness through their experience in the Farm. She is reliable, always to the point and never procrastinate anything.
She is the head organiser of the largest preaching festival, the “Bucsu” of Krishna Valley, where we host 6000 people over 3 days.
Brief description of his/her other services since joining: She was a sankirtana devotee for 12 years, she has been the head of administration of Pecs center for 2 years, was serving in the Govinda’s for 5 years.
What is special in his/her service that inspired you to nominate him/her for the award? She is the contact person for the visiting groups. She handles the groups so well even through the phone, that just by being so professional and caring while talking on the phone, the head of a tourist office said that just by being in contact with her he is so impressed that he would like to bring 100 more people and increase the number annually.
This application is endorsed by: Krishna Valley Board of Directors
Another female preacher is glorified by Sivaram Swami
And in the preaching and masculine sevas that she was doing a person, Dusyanta Das used to flirt with her, as he himself confesses here
Dear Krishna Lila Prabhu,From those days in Hungary when we all helped Maharaja on the “festival”,for me they were ecstatic times,i remember Krishna Lila so well. She was always smiling,helpful and spoke english.Sometimes we would joke with her a bit about a pretend problem and she took it all really well and just smiled.Sometimes she was everywhere,organising,helping and doing the needful.When i got back to the UK somehow i missed her.When i saw her recently at the farm it was like meeting a good old friend.I often think about her and many other Hungarian devotees and hope they are all happy and well.Krishna Lila exemplifies the mood of a great Vaisnavi and it has been a great boon to serve with her.all glories to her service.Krishna Lila Prabhu ki jai. Your servant,Dusyanta dasa.
Solution for Sivaram Maharaj:
There is no solution. You can’t change him if Krishna willing he changes he will. You can respectfully avoid funding him till the time he recovers from his current position of promoting anti-cultural values. He is on the whole a good guru and much better in many vedic aspects compared to Hridayananda Maharaj or someone else. (Respectfully: Since he is not a full feminist like Anuttama or Malati or Kaunteya, etc)
He’s a FoodForLife promoter as well.